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Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design

Nymph is usually a race but we can use it as a class here for sure. I'm good with this draft.
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Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design

What would the interaction be between the Carried by Waves power and similar terrain changing powers such as the Greater Ice Elemental's Ice Cold power? Would the latest power to change the properties of the space take precedence, or would the space in question somehow have simultaneous properties?

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Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design

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What would the interaction be between the Carried by Waves power and similar terrain changing powers such as the Greater Ice Elemental's Ice Cold power? Would the latest power to change the properties of the space take precedence, or would the space in question somehow have simultaneous properties?
Any spaces affected by both Carried by Waves and Ice Cold should be treated as ice. Carried by Waves is based off of a similar power from C3V's Re-Tak-Shi, where there is a ruling that the terrain is first converted to swamp water and then turned to ice by the Greater Ice Elemental.

As to the interaction between Carried by Waves and Swamp Ooze (whether the terrain is treated as water or swamp water), I'm not sure. I believe that this should get cleared up in Editing.
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Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design

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While Kiora is on a land space, that space and all same-level spaces adjacent to Kiora are considered water spaces. Kiora and friendly figures who start their move adjacent to Kiora do not have to stop their movement when entering a water space.
Is land space defined in Heroscape? Is it any tile type that's not a 0 hight tile or any space that is undefined (i.e. is a Road Space a Land Space or not?).

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While Kiora is on a land space, that space and all same-level spaces adjacent to Kiora are considered water spaces. Kiora and friendly figures who start their move adjacent to Kiora do not have to stop their movement when entering a water space.
Is land space defined in Heroscape? Is it any tile type that's not a 0 hight tile or any space that is undefined (i.e. is a Road Space a Land Space or not?).
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Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design

So while Re-Tak-Shi and Kiora occupy the same sphere of influence,
Re-Tak-Shi would cancel Kiora's power entirely if he changed the space under Kiora to Swamp Water. But if he were just beyond that space, would he be changing her water to Swamp Water? or would she change his Swamp water to Water?

I suppose it could be solved by changing her power to "same-level Land Spaces", but I think there might eventually need to be a design hierarchy of what land types can be turned into or else there may be a future land changing loop.

for example, right now nothing can change Ice into Water, because of the perpetual loop with the Greater Ice Elemental

As long as nothing can be turned into a Land Space, every type changing power will have a starting point.

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Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design

Very true. We will likely need to ask @Scytale about the best way to handle the interaction.

We could have Kiora simply create Swamp Water, or drop that part of the power altogether.

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Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design

Ugh. Given the arguments we had between Re-Tak-Shi and GIE, I don't even want to think about Re-Tak-Shi and Kiora interactions.
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Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design

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I do believe that would give us good reason to drop the qater creating portion.

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Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design

What if she creates a new kind of space like Wave Space or Sea Water and then define it like the rulebook does for Swamp Water; "counts as water for abilities that use water.

It would be a shame to have to scrap the Carried By Waves power. I kind of like it

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Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design

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What if she creates a new kind of space like Wave Space or Sea Water and then define it like the rulebook does for Swamp Water; "counts as water for abilities that use water.

It would be a shame to have to scrap the Carried By Waves power. I kind of like it
The first half or second half? The first half only mildly limits moving around in engagements (and triggers a few water-based powers, like working as a defensive booster for Microcorp). The second half doesn't require the water conversion.
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Re: [Pod 2] Kiora, the Rising Tide - Design

I actually don't think the interaction between Durnipia and Re Tak Shi is any worse than the Greater Ice Elemental and Re Tak Shi. I'm posting both powers below for reference. Note that the wording for Carried By Waves is slightly different than what is on the first page currently, as it is my suggested wording from a page back which I think is more consistent with the precedent set by Re Tak Shi.

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All land spaces within 1 space of Durnipia that are no more than 5 levels above or below Durnipia's base are considered water spaces. Durnipia and friendly figures who start their move adjacent to Durnipia do not have to stop their movement when entering a water space.
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SWAMP OOZE
All land or water spaces within 1 space of Re-Tak-Shi that are no more than 5 levels above or below Re-Tak-Shi's base are considered swamp water spaces.
Since Durnipia's Carried By Waves only converts land spaces into water, and Re Tak Shi turns both land or water spaces into swamp water, any space between the two of them will always end up as swamp water, following the same logic by which anything between the Greater Ice Elemental and Re Tak Shi ends up as ice.

Shoutout to @Skinderella on discord for helping to point out this interaction. I think that with my proposed wording for Carried By Waves we should be all good as far as this specific interaction goes, unless there's something I'm missing.
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