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Old March 16th, 2014, 08:18 PM
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Re: The Book of Alien Warrior (Design Phase)

I like it. Seems like a nice, fun, elegant design. I agree the theme on Shedding Skin is a bit lost, though, which is a shame, because I love it mechanically.

Shedding Skin is meant to trigger Acidic Blood, right? Fun combo, if so.

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Re: The Book of Alien Warrior (Design Phase)

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I don't think the Skin Shedding aspect is really needed here.
Understandable. The theme is lost and I don't really like the idea of having additional markers on the card (it over complicates a design that should be kept fairly simple overall) However, if the thematic aspects of the Alien Warrior/Drone life cycle aren't needed/desired then I personally would feel inclined to take this Warrior design and merge it w/ the Drone design:

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Coordinated Assault Special Attack
Range 1. Attack 0 + Special.

After moving, if no Alien Drones you control attack normally this turn, you may use this special attack. Choose an opponent's figure to attack that is engaged with at least 3 Alien Drones you control. Add 1 to your attack number for this attack for each Alien Drone you control adjacent to the chosen figure.

Acidic Blood
If [Figure] receives at least one wound, choose 1 adjacent figure for each wound received. One at a time, roll 1 unblockable attack die against each chosen figure.

Expert Climbing
When counting spaces for Alien Drones' movement, elevation changes up to 2 levels count as one space. you may ignore Alien Drones' height of 5 when climbing. Alien Drones never take falling damage or major falling damage.
...and just call them Aliens. Cuz really that is the only thing that was really separating the two (Aside: Additionally many Alien fans would argue that Drones/Warriors are the same...just at different stages of maturation; Added to the fact that the difference is lost to most casual fans)... Instead they could be a 3 or 4 figure common squad w/ the following power set:

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COORDINATED ASSAULT SPECIAL ATTACK

ACIDIC BLOOD

EXPERT CLIMBING
However, we would be losing the thematic aspect of having some kind of Alien Tail strike. Perhaps this could be satisfactorily addressed by upping the movement of the Aliens, dropping Expert Climbing, and, per Viegon's idea, insert something akin to the following:

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XENOMORPH TAIL STRIKE

An Alien may add 1 to its range when attacking a figure whose base is no more than 4 levels higher than its height or 4 levels lower than its base.
By combining the two designs we'd have a nice subtle dose of thematic strategic movement (Coordinated Assault and Acidic Blood) for both players and the Tail Strike, which would make for a nice simple design that will easily blend in with the long-term outlook for the Xenomorph faction.

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Old March 16th, 2014, 09:43 PM
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Re: The Book of Alien Warrior (Design Phase)

Why don't you show what it would look like all written up.
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Re: The Book of Alien Warrior (Design Phase)

I had an idea for a increase power kind of power linked to initiative wins but never found a good use for it. If I adapt it like below it might be something that fits your theme:

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If you win initiative you may reveal the "X" Order Marker on this card and place a Growth Marker on this card. Add one to this Alien Warrior's Move, Attack and Defense for each Growth Marker on this card. You can only have a maximum of 4 Growth Markers on this card.
Maximum of 4 could be dropped to 3, and all other base stats would need to be reconsidered. For example the Move would need to drop if you want to keep that aspect in the above power.
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Re: The Book of Alien Warrior (Design Phase)

Since many fans consider them about the same, I like the thought of combing the designs into one.

When I think about the Warriors, Drones class in Scape, I see squads, but that just might be me.

Coordinated Assault SA, Acidic Blood, and Xenomorph Tail Strike as the abilities, sounds fun to me.

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Re: The Book of Alien Warrior (Design Phase)

I feel like the "lone alien that strikes from the shadows," like in Alien, has a very different feel than the ones they fight in Aliens. From what I understand the first one is the Drone and the second are Warriors, and I see them being pretty distinct, honestly.
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Re: The Book of Alien Warrior (Design Phase)

I don't now about the theme, but if it's the "age difference" between the two types that's the differing factor, is it necessary to show this one as maturing during the battle? Wouldn't making it a stronger uncommon hero as opposed to a weaker squad imply strongly enough the differing level of maturity?

I think a design with Acidic Blood, some sort of Tail power (not SA), and a shadow ambush like ability would be pretty cool, especially if there's intended synergy later.

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Re: The Book of Alien Warrior (Design Phase)

Great commentaries all around.

I like A3n's idea for growth and I think it could work, if we decide to incorporate the power.

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I feel like the "lone alien that strikes from the shadows," like in Alien, has a very different feel than the ones they fight in Aliens. From what I understand the first one is the Drone and the second are Warriors, and I see them being pretty distinct, honestly.
I feel inclined to agree with you. There is a significantly different feel between the two types.

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I don't now about the theme, but if it's the "age difference" between the two types that's the differing factor, is it necessary to show this one as maturing during the battle? Wouldn't making it a stronger uncommon hero as opposed to a weaker squad imply strongly enough the differing level of maturity?
I agree. However, the issue is that the Drone is a younger and weaker uncommon hero and the Warrior is a more mature and stronger common squad.

That said, I think your question is worth some consideration, how much does it really add to have the Drone maturate? It may be best to address the maturation/life cycle process via a future synergy (facehuggers and/or eggs and maybe even use a similar mechanic as the one laid out by A3n). But before we get too caught up in this detail let's sort out the following:

Based on the comments received thus far, I see the following options:

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A: Combine the Warrior/Drone designs and make this design into an Aliens squad
B: Separately design the Alien Drone from the Alien Warrior Squad.
In regard to A:

It'd be a Common Squad w/ stats and powers along the lines of:

Life = 1
Move = 4-6
Range = 1
Attack = 5
Defense = 4 or 5

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COORDINATED ASSAULT SA
Range 1. Attack 0 + Special.
After moving, if no Alien Drones you control attack normally this turn, you may use this special attack. Choose an opponent's figure to attack that is engaged with at least 3 Alien Drones you control. Add 1 to your attack number for this attack for each Alien Drone you control adjacent to the chosen figure.

ACIDIC BLOOD
If [Figure] receives at least one wound, choose 1 adjacent figure for each wound received. One at a time, roll 1 unblockable attack die against each chosen figure.

XENOMORPH TAIL STRIKE
An Alien may add 1 to its range when attacking a figure whose base is no more than 4 levels higher than its height or 4 levels lower than its base. If this Alien Drone occupies a shadow space add one skull to the attack roll.
In regard to B:

It'd be an Uncommon Hero

Life = 1 (bcuz it'd seem weird for it to have more life than a Warrior; although we can address concerns here later)

Move = 2 or 5
Range = 1
Attack = 2 or 4
Defense = 2 or 4

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XENOMORPH GROWTH (Optional; We could leave the design w/ just two powers or add an Acidic Spit SA or Expert Climbing)
If you win initiative you may reveal the "X" Order Marker on this card
and place a Growth Marker on this card. Add one to this Alien Warrior's
Move, Attack and Defense for each Growth Marker on this card. You can
only have a maximum of 4 Growth Markers on this card.

ACIDIC BLOOD
If this Alien receives at least one wound, choose 1 adjacent figure for each wound received. One at a time, roll 1 unblockable attack die against each chosen figure.

XENOMORPH TAIL STRIKE
An Alien may add 1 to its range when attacking a figure whose base is no more than 4 levels higher than its height or 4 levels lower than its base. If this Alien Drone occupies a shadow space add one skull to the attack roll.
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Re: The Book of Alien Warrior - VOTE (Design Phase)

Both would be fine with me, but based solely on mechanics, I have a slight preference for B (though I think it'd be better off without the growth power).

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Re: The Book of Alien Warrior - VOTE (Design Phase)

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Both would be fine with me, but based solely on mechanics, I have a slight preference for B (though I think it'd be better off without the growth power).

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Re: The Book of Alien Warrior - VOTE (Design Phase)

I'm going to be a bit more pragmatic here and ask an important question before I vote:

Which path do the available minis best support? How many minis are available for this and how can they best be used (in more designs or fewer)? As in, will there be some really cool minis unlikely to be used if we condense? Or are there so few minis or are they so rare that condensing can be advantageous? I think the answer for me lies in the answers to those questions.

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Re: The Book of Alien Warrior - VOTE (Design Phase)

C. I think the younger weaker Drones should be a squad & the Warrior be a stronger Uncommon Hero. I think it would be cooler to have lots of Drones running around making mob attacks & a few Warriors striking from shadows (from the roof would be even better ).
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