Delta: latest updates and discussion

[Grey Waves]

I agree with Ryguy's nomination. I don't necessarily agree that we should adjust delta costs based on how fun a unit is to play against, but I think the current OHS season has shown that deathreavers at 60 points a squad is still too cheap. Builds like rats x3 Q9, rats x3 Krav Kaemon or even rats x3 Krav Raelin are an autowin against too many armies to justify a cost of just 435 points. @quozl made playoffs comfortably with a 3-1 record and is likely to go further, and while @Mother Ewe only went 2-2, she would have won her round 1 game against me had my 2/6 life Marcu not rolled 1/1 shields against a 2 skull attack from one of the red wyrmlings. (Yes, that's how close this game was). I think a 5 point increase to 65 points a squad is appropriate, as it would better reflect how strong rats are as a support unit while also making the above builds just a little bit more expensive.

While I'm here I'd like to make a couple of other quick nominations as well:

Tyrian 100 --> 95 - he still seems slightly outclassed by other units that do his job better, like the Krav or even Nakitas.
Hoplitrons 40 --> 35 - 2 attacks of 4 is not breaking the meta any time soon and with J15 going up 10 points that army core is too expensive.
Granite Guardians 85 --> 80 - no-one's shown any real interest in them even at 85 points and their matchups into range are still miserable.
Eltahale 145 -->150 - Eltahale is just fundamentally very good at what she does (killing big heroes), and even in matchups where that's not relevant she still has a 4-die multi-target SA and really good survivability.

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(The drow still seem too expensive to me)

[dok]

Originally Posted by Grey Waves

@quozl made playoffs comfortably with a 3-1 record and is likely to go further

[quozl]

Originally Posted by dok

Sorry, dok, but this is my time!

(Good luck and let me know when you're available to play.)

[MegaSilver]

I would also like Rats at 65.

[MegaSilver]

Originally Posted by quozl

Sorry, dok, but this is my time!

(Good luck and let me know when you're available to play.)

Hahahahah

[Grey Waves]

Originally Posted by dok

Lol I posted that before the matchups for the playoffs were announced.

If you (or anyone else) has thoughts on my other nominations I’d love to hear them.

[Chris Perkins]

Originally Posted by Grey Waves

If you (or anyone else) has thoughts on my other nominations I’d love to hear them.

I appreciate the nominations, and we'll be sure to discuss them / take them under advisement for the June update.

Regarding potential future changes, I try to avoid posting public thoughts until after an update has been released, mainly because:
1) Our thoughts can change over the course of a 4 month period, especially based on OHS results, and my thoughts now could change before the next update drops
2) There's just too much potential time spent discussing all the potential changes, and I just don't have time to write up that much stuff on here; it's manageable for me to make posts after a release though, so I'll do my best to remember to address those 4 nominations after the June release is posted (whether or not those figures actually changed points).

[Muskie]

Chris, will we newest updates (June) for Scapecon? I do like to have time to make adjustments and test armies.

[Chris Perkins]

Originally Posted by Muskie

Chris, will we newest updates (June) for Scapecon? I do like to have time to make adjustments and test armies.

We're targeting early June for the next release, which would give ~ 2 months lead time before ScapeCon.

[Muskie]

Originally Posted by Chris Perkins

We're targeting early June for the next release, which would give ~ 2 months lead time before ScapeCon.

Thanks!!

[quozl]

Originally Posted by Grey Waves

@quozl made playoffs comfortably with a 3-1 record and is likely to go further

dok did end up ending my run tonight. Also, one of my wins was without rats. (I ran Q9, Raelin, and Marcu against crypt guardians, Braxas, and the warden.)