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Old July 16th, 2015, 12:07 AM
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Re: Magic: the Gathering Strategy Board Game

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Old July 16th, 2015, 12:18 AM
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Do you guys hear that? I think I hear a Doggin crying. Dund is extra sad now because the Planeswalkers don't even have order makers to remove.
Have him force a discard instead

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Old July 16th, 2015, 12:23 AM
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They have a Heroscape section on their forums. Just sayin'....
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Old July 16th, 2015, 02:42 AM
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This game is great. If it gets support it will be something special. If it doesn't, it will be a neat thing to mix in with my Heroscape stuff now and then.

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Re: Magic: the Gathering Strategy Board Game

Speaking of conversions, anybody turning Magic cards into Arena cards?

Anybody add Arena card templates to their card creator programs?

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Speaking of conversions, anybody turning Magic cards into Arena cards?

Anybody add Arena card templates to their card creator programs?
I have an MSE template more or less ready to go, but I don't have good digital images of the cards and haven't felt like making mock-ups yet.
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Old July 16th, 2015, 08:47 AM
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@Grishnakh , having now played this game, and having previously played with your custom rules and figures, I will say: this game is closer to Heroscape in mechanics than your (awesome!) work (which sits in the Custom Marvel Heroscape section of the boards). Make of that what you will.
OK, drag me back into this! At least you said my customs were awesome!

MtG: AotP is not billed as a Heroscape game. It doesn't say it's a Heroscape game, it doesn't say it's inspired by Heroscape, it doesn't say it's from the creators of Heroscape, etc. To me it sounds exactly like they are trying to distance themselves from Heroscape. So, I'm just giving them the benefit of the doubt and saying it's not Heroscape and belongs, at least on our Heroscape site, in Other Games.

Go back and look at BattleMasters. It plainly says from the creators of HeroQuest. In the beginning Heroscape said it was from the creators of HeroQuest. Sadly, at least to me, this new game doesn't acknowledge it's heritage. This is a Magic the Gathering game that does indeed use the Heroscape game engine yet makes no mention of it's source material, or acknowledges it's fan base. Makes me wonder how much input Stephen Baker had in this game's development and if he somehow fought to include the HeroScape/Quest name.

As for my stuff it's posted on a clearly marked Heroscape web site, clearly under the heading Heroscape Comic Hero Custom Creations. I consider my stuff as an add on to the existing Heroscape rules and they work soundly within those rules. If you somehow feel that they are too different a) don't use my rules and b) I would infer from your statement that you think the same of all unofficial customs on this site.

So that's what I made of your statement. Perhaps what I don't get is your point here.

Maybe we should change the title at the top of every page on this site to read:

Your Source for all Things 'Scape! and things that are like 'Scape but don't call themselves 'Scape

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Old July 16th, 2015, 09:19 AM
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Analogizing...

If I ran a Prince William fan site, source of all things Prince William-y, and he had a kid that he didn't acknowledge, but that I could easily prove was his then... yes, I'd cover the kid on the site too.

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Old July 16th, 2015, 09:33 AM
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Analogizing...

If I ran a Prince William fan site, source of all things Prince William-y, and he had a kid that he didn't acknowledge, but that I could easily prove was his then... yes, I'd cover the kid on the site too.

~Aldin, bastardly

I capitulated a few posts back and bowed out of this discussion. At this point I honestly think that the admins should go ahead and make a major heading for this game and be done with it. It seems to be the only recourse at the moment.

As a side note thanks for listening to what I've had to say everyone. I was silent on what I perceived as a major issue with this site once before and I swore I'd never do it again (don't even bother to ask). I tried to express my views yesterday quickly and to the point. Evidently I stuck a nerve with the community.

Now I'm going to try to bow out of this conversation again. Unless anyone wants to drag me back in. For those of you that buy it enjoy the Magic Game!
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As if I had any say in the matter in the first place!

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My one suggestion for this community - if you have ANY hope of ever seeing HeroScape revived - is for all of us to buy this new MtG: AotP product now (even if only for the potential customized figures down the road) to make their initial production run very successful.
Sales of Magic: AotP will not bring back Heroscape as we know it. Yes, Heroscape was cancelled in part due to marketing mistakes by Hasbro, but also because of larger economic shifts Hasbro had no control over, like skyrocketing oil prices, a global recession and rising foreign labor costs. Heroscape, with its affordable prepainted plastic figures and terrain, came along at pretty much the only point in history it could have, and instead of moaning about it being gone we should be thankful we got it in the first place.
I absolutely agree with you @Sherman Davies - There's a 98.6% probability that WE will NEVER see HeroScape come back as WE knew it. And I also agree with @chas 's comments regarding Craig Van Ness having given us a early Christmas present with MtG:AotP. I guess the point that I was trying to make I when I referred to HS being "revived" is *NOT* a re-release of any original Master Sets (as sad as that makes me feel, I believe that it is the TRUTH), but that - more hexagonal tiles and 'compatible' figures will ONLY be produced IF enough customers are asking for them, in order to demonstrate to the Hasbro corporate accountants that a DEMAND for them does exist, which they can profit from. This seems to me to be a more logical and practical approach than the emotional appeals of lamenting the "Good Old Days," complaining about what could have been, and forming a chanting picket line outside their office building. The image of that reminds me of the scene from Monty Python's "Search for the Holy Grail" movie in which the group of monks are bashing their heads against blocks of wood.


yes, Yes, YES . . . I am VERY thankful that I have a HUGE HeroScape collection, and for ALL the FUN that I've had with it over the past decade. I only wish that I had more local friends to share this experience with. I do miss the "Good Old Days." Not because HS was plentiful (and cheap at Clearance Prices) at all the big-box stores and many FLGS, but because there were just more opportunities to play with it, talk about it, and I didn't have to drive hundreds of miles to participate in an occasional regional tournament. I am hopeful for a revival of attitudes toward light, fantasy 'war-gaming' on 3D terrain boards with a hexagonal grid. IF I have to accept customized Magic: The Gathering figures and modified rules to see this goal even partially achieved, THEN that seems like a small enough sacrifice that I am willing to pay. Otherwise I might as well sell all my HS stuff and start to play War Hammer 40K or some other nonsense that has not yet gone OOP.

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