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Old August 14th, 2015, 10:30 AM
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Re: The Book of Havok (Public Playtesting)

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I wasn't saying from misinterpretation, I was saying from theme breaks and then I'm just not a fan of having it open ended.
It's up to you, but if auto-wound powers can bypass it, units like Red Skull will become his best pairings, which I would rather avoid (though due to how Strategic Intervention works, he's a good combo for Red Skull either way; limiting the power like I'm saying would just help keep it in check).

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Old August 14th, 2015, 10:40 AM
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Old August 14th, 2015, 11:39 AM
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Re: The Book of Havok (Public Playtesting)

@dok @Dysole @weebaer @Soundwarp SG-1 what are your thoughts on Strategic Intervention activation being contingent only on wounds from attacks or open ended (meaning: special powers, gyphs, lava, etc.)?
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It'll be very close to the same. Slight body to red skull and maybe some others I'm forgetting. Would it break things either way? Not likely.

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Re: The Book of Havok (Public Playtesting)

Looks like Ronin and Fret submitted results. Did you get them, Karat?

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Yea. I just got busy and forgot to post them.
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Re: The Book of Havok (Public Playtesting)

Just wanted to make sure they were sent to you.

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Re: The Book of Havok (Public Playtesting)

Here are Ronin's results. They are quite clearly post change.
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C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Havok

Army Test
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units: Havok, Star-Lord, Red Skull, Doctor Strange, Beast Boy (Bear) (1000) vs Ms. Marvel, Wonder Woman, Drax (1000)
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Army Test
Map: Sacred Shrine
Units: Magneto II, Mystique II, Destiny, Blob, Havok (1005) vs Fantastic Four (1000)
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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: The decision to give him a little bit of range was definitely a good one. I think it does a lot for his draftability, since otherwise you don't have much reason to take turns with him to build up his energy markers.

I'd consider bumping his cost down, closer to 190. He can do some cool stuff, but the tension between his different powers, and the fact that he has more of a "contingency" power than an actual leadership power keeps his value in check.


GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: Solid take on Havok. Fun little leadership power, big energy explosions, decent physical stats. He's not bad in a Red Skull build, since Red Skull is one of few leadership units that relies on his attack. Havok makes a nice insurance policy for him, in case he flubs a roll or just can't get within normal attack range and has to rely on his Lugers (deliberately targeting someone who can easily block the Lugers is a solid choice here).

I'm not sure how well Havok'll really get on with Star-Lord, since his big gun is a special attack and the Mutant slot for Ragtag Tactics is competitive (and I think I'd much rather have Robot for a Strategist). Star-Lord's definitely an option for him, though.

I think my second test is fairly representative of how he'll work with the various Mutant leaders: an okay ranged hitter, with some backup leadership if your main guy gets taken down.

One fun/weird interaction is Doctor Strange: Strange has the option to ignore any wounds he would inflict and instead remove OMs from a figure's card. (Ultron can do something similar, but is an Event Hero, so no synergy) So Strange can attack, choose to remove OMs instead of place wounds, and then you can activate Strategic Intervention to bond.
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Re: The Book of Havok (Public Playtesting)

As far as fret's results, they needed some slight clarification before posting.

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Old August 20th, 2015, 03:12 PM
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Re: The Book of Havok (Public Playtesting)

Here are fret's results:
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C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Havok

Army Test
Map:Bridge of the Gods
Units:Bane (190), Havok (210), Mister Sinister (340), Star Lord (250) (990) vs CaptainMarvel (400), Kree Scout x6 (240), Ronan (360) (1000)

PowersUsed:
Cosmic Energy Absorption X: 2 from taking a turn, 3 from X OM
Strategic Intervention: 0 times
Plasma Burst Special Attack: 1 time using 3 Energy Markers
Damage from Special Attack: 1 wound
Damage from Normal Attack: 1 wound

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Army Test
Map:Arctic Redoubt
Units:Colossus (260), Cyclops (190), Havok (210) Mister Sinister (340) (1000)vs Destiny (55), Jubilee (60), MagnetoII (375), Mystique II (200), Rogue (300) (990)

PowersUsed:
Cosmic Energy Absorption X: 1 from taking a turn, 2 from X OM
Strategic Intervention: 2 times
Plasma Burst Special Attack: 0 times
Damage from Special Attack: 0 wounds
Damage from Normal Attack: 3 wounds

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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: It only takes the right build to make Havok worth his cost. To me his big power is Strategic Intervention. It allows low to mid figures a turn to move and should they miss on their attack, give the big power houses a free turn.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: Other than attacking figures in a group (which is easy to counter), his Special Attack is only slightly better than his normal attack with height. Thematically I kind of dislike this, as I’ve always seen him as a strong attacking figure. Instead his main power is Strategic Intervention. It takes a bit to really get the hang of it, but properly executed it is extremely powerful. I realize now why Havok played such a minor role in the first match-up, it was because the mid to low figures were timid of attacking due to Captain Marvel’s Cosmic Awareness power. They tended to only attack the Kree Scouts and damaging them, which meant that Havok couldn’t activate Strategic Intervention. However in the second match, mid-level Heroes (which included Havok himself) can take a turn and if they miss, still allow for a another Hero to have a second chance.
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Re: The Book of Havok (Public Playtesting)

Honestly, I'd have to agree with his assessment about his Special attack being only slightly better than his normal attack, so what would you all think about dropping his normal attack to 3 and bumping the base attack value to 4 for the special?
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Re: The Book of Havok (Public Playtesting)

Interesting take on SI. Sounds like he should be played with the rouges, who could benefit greatly from a second chance to inflict a wound.
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