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Re: The Book of Pluto (Playtesting Phase)

One thought is to make his Invisibility d20 dependent; that'd make his range-immunity a lot less reliable.
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Re: The Book of Pluto (Playtesting Phase)

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One thought is to make his Invisibility d20 dependent; that'd make his range-immunity a lot less reliable.
That's a possibility. It doesn't change ZJ's results at all though, as Pluto faced hardly any range (just the Ninja's 3 Range, but they have Phantom Walk anyway). There was also limited range in my games. I think it's largely the stats plus bonding with the Moloids that is the issue.

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Re: The Book of Pluto (Playtesting Phase)

I worry that the Moloid synergy is causing problems here. It seems like we're going to need to lower his stats even farther to get him balanced with them, and at that point is it still thematic to the character?

If we want to stick with Moloid synergy, I'd suggest lowering his life next.

Sort of off topic: recently, I was brainstorming an idea for a generic "Legion of the Dead" squad that would synergize with Hell Lords (and maybe Lords?). We could always change Pluto's class to something like that, balance him as a solo-hero, and then plan to add an undead squad like that later.

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Re: The Book of Pluto (Playtesting Phase)

I was thinking of the same sort of thing - undead armies for generic Ray Harryhausen battles. If we put together a draft of that we could probably drop the Moloids here.
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Re: The Book of Pluto (Playtesting Phase)

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I was thinking of the same sort of thing - undead armies for generic Ray Harryhausen battles. If we put together a draft of that we could probably drop the Moloids here.
I went ahead and started up an Undead Faction Discussion Thread to get the ball rolling just in case we do want to go this direction.

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Re: The Book of Pluto (Playtesting Phase)

Okay, that looks good. I think I'm willing to make the shift to Lord as his class; if we do things right that allows future synergy that should work like the Moloids but be a bit more balanced.
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Re: The Book of Pluto (Playtesting Phase)

Dang...I don't have access to that thread...moving along...

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Re: The Book of Pluto (Playtesting Phase)

So where're we at here? I'm also cool with dropping the Moloids and adding future bonding down the road. I'm hoping to do some playtesting tomorrow or Sunday, and I've tested all the other units for April that are in playtesting. I'd be glad to run some non-Moloid games here, if that's the direction we're going.

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Re: The Book of Pluto (Playtesting Phase)

I was hoping to get a more solid bead on the potential Undead synergy before committing but yeah, I think we'd all be more comfortable changing his class to Lord and dropping Moloid synergy.
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Re: The Book of Pluto (Playtesting Phase)

Officially going to Lord here. No Moloids, yes Dead Guys.
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Re: The Book of Pluto (Playtesting Phase)

I ran some games with Pluto as a solo-hero. At first I was skeptical about him still being useful, but after three games he felt about spot on. He goes really nice with units like Ms. Marvel, and works great with a shield (Lurkers work very nicely for that I found out). If he can score kills he's not going to do great, but if he can, he can be a real force to reckon with. I did find he had a lot of trouble holding unto the Helm, though what made it worse was that I was playing on Crash Landing and the enemy just kept placing it in molten lava, effectively removing it from the game.

Overall, he gets a from me.

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NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Pluto

Army Test
Map: Crash Landing (no glyphs or special rules)
Units: Pluto, Ms. Marvel, Atom, Fire Ant Swarm x1 (840 points) VS Captain Mar-Vell, Kree Scouts x11 (840 points)
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Army Test
Map: Crash Landing (no glyphs or special rules)
Units: Pluto, Robot, Lurker x10 (890 points) VS Nick Fury, SHIELD Agents x3, Spider-Woman, Mockingbird (890 points)
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Army Test
Map: Crash Landing (no glyphs or special rules)
Units: Pluto, Ms. Marvel, Lurkers x9 (1,005 points) VS The Hood, Scorpion, Wizard, Intergang Agents x4 (1,000 points)
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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: Pluto works nicely at 430. His stats plus range immunity can make him real tough to take down, and if he consistently scores kills, he can throw some really big attacks. He does definitely rely on having a screen and/or other big targets on his team though; overall, I could see him coming in anywhere in the 400-430 range.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: Pluto makes for a fun tank figure, especially with his Helm thrown in. Deciding whether to use Lord of Hades for offense or defense makes for some interesting play.

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Re: The Book of Pluto (Playtesting Phase)

Awesome. I think low-400s is good in general. The question is whether we want to price him high (at 430), or leave the burden of price on the future bonding squad and put him lower (410-20?). Thoughts there?
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