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Old December 18th, 2014, 06:52 PM
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Re: Heroscape Power Rankings: Complete?

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You're twisting my tone. I'm sure there are others who are good- the best players like mantrain, mattser, spider poison (when he was playing), lone wolf, scraper dude, dok, etc. the list goes on. I think the general community throws aside the Blade Gruts seeing as the Heavies are considered to be better, so why not use the Heavies? Why bother with the Blades?
Aha! Now that's a great question. As a guy who has played a ton with both of them, the Heavies get more love because they're are so much less reliant on the survival of key heroes to be effective. The problem the Blade Gruts run into over and over again is a clever opponent sniping their heroes and pulling the teeth from the Blades. With Heavies, the loss isn't as extreme.

Now the obvious reason to prefer the Blades is that you can get so many more of them and/or get more supporting units. So if you want to add a ranged component or double up on Orc heroes, the Blades are the way to go.

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And I'm glad you answered! Because my argument stems from the fact that often times, it is just as good to have another hero as it is to have beefier stats, because that hero helps to beef up their stats in turn. Not only that, but the heroes beef up each other, as well. Most people underestimate the power of having another hero.

And for the record, I am still not putting down people's skill.
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Old December 18th, 2014, 07:24 PM
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Re: Heroscape Power Rankings: Complete?

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*shrugs*

I took Blades, Ornak, Grimnak, Brunak, Isamu, and Marcu and lost to a Samurai army and a Captain America build at a Mixed Marvel event. They ain't the top of the food chain, imo.
Brutal isn't that great of a choice. It seems more like an Ornak army than Blade Grut army. The Captain America one doesn't matter much. Blade Gruts need Nerak or Raelin. You need to stat boost them so that they become closer to the top of the food chain.
I may have had Nerak too. It was a couple of years ago. All units had Evasive 1 too. I had like 3 or 4 squads of Blades. Hardly all about Ornak.

As far as Brunak being a bad choice, I have to say I disagree. He *made* that army much better than Tornak could have ever done. Giving me added aggression, as well as a nasty threat (and life extending Grimnak) was really the key for me to take the wins I did get. This tactic also worked at the last NHSD when I rolled a heavies variant of that build.

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Old December 18th, 2014, 07:32 PM
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Re: Heroscape Power Rankings: Complete?

Now my question is where's all the love for Tornak?? He's the OG Wave 1 Beatstick that's too slick for his own Blade Gruts and he's harder to kill than Q9 (maybe that's just how it always plays out at my place anyway--Will You Roll Less Than Four Shields For Once!?!?!). That little punk Ornak thinks he's so cool with his one-trick-pony hero bonding for one round. Hey Ornak! You know who's got a better aura than you do!? Hatamato Taro!

I dunno... Orcs are complicated.

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Old December 18th, 2014, 07:56 PM
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*shrugs*

I took Blades, Ornak, Grimnak, Brunak, Isamu, and Marcu and lost to a Samurai army and a Captain America build at a Mixed Marvel event. They ain't the top of the food chain, imo.
Brutal isn't that great of a choice. It seems more like an Ornak army than Blade Grut army. The Captain America one doesn't matter much. Blade Gruts need Nerak or Raelin. You need to stat boost them so that they become closer to the top of the food chain.
I may have had Nerak too. It was a couple of years ago. All units had Evasive 1 too. I had like 3 or 4 squads of Blades. Hardly all about Ornak.

As far as Brunak being a bad choice, I have to say I disagree. He *made* that army much better than Tornak could have ever done. Giving me added aggression, as well as a nasty threat (and life extending Grimnak) was really the key for me to take the wins I did get. This tactic also worked at the last NHSD when I rolled a heavies variant of that build.
You're right, in that I'd probably take him over Tornak. All I was saying is I would take Nerak and MBS or Raelin over him.
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Old December 18th, 2014, 07:58 PM
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Re: Heroscape Power Rankings: Complete?

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Now my question is where's all the love for Tornak?? He's the OG Wave 1 Beatstick that's too slick for his own Blade Gruts and he's harder to kill than Q9 (maybe that's just how it always plays out at my place anyway--Will You Roll Less Than Four Shields For Once!?!?!). That little punk Ornak thinks he's so cool with his one-trick-pony hero bonding for one round. Hey Ornak! You know who's got a better aura than you do!? Hatamato Taro!

I dunno... Orcs are complicated.
There are definitely a lot of different things you can do, which is why it took me 3 years of competitive play to refine my builds. Complicated barely scratches the surface.

I used to love Tornak... But then I found Ornak.
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Re: Heroscape Power Rankings: Complete?

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Nagrubs with TKN. Squish, squish, squish.
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If I'm the one using Blade Gruts, these are the matchup numbers. Period. Some of these may be a little closer, but I doubt it.
Challenge accepted.

Your main event army vs. TKN, grubs x4, Raelin.

Gencon 2014 maps: you pick any 6 and I'll pick 4 of them for the games. Or the other way around, your choice.

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Re: Heroscape Power Rankings: Complete?

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Is it possible that these rankings can be changed at all?

Blade Gruts should be moved up, they are vastly superior to Arrow Gruts and only slightly inferior to Heavy Gruts. They should be an A-.
As long as starting zones are there Blades Gruts are well ranked.

They're only really good in something like 400~450 points 24 hex, something which does not exist anymore.

They're a very active unit, so you can't mix them with dragons, majors or Kravs very effectively.

What you can take with them is Grimnak, Nerak, Raelin, Tornak.
You can take all that and 4 squads and you're at 510 points 23 hex.
The problem is that Tornak is not very good, and you don't need 2 fighting heroes, and 3 heroes for 4 squads is a lot, is so you want to cut it, but if you cut it you're 410 points 21hexs, this kind of format doesn't exist.

Now that the standart SZ is 16 hexes, Blade Gruts are burried 6 feet deep, they even didn't deserve B+ with this SZ.

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Blade Gruts should be moved up, they are vastly superior to Arrow Gruts and only slightly inferior to Heavy Gruts. They should be an A-.
As long as starting zones are there Blades Gruts are well ranked.

They're only really good in something like 400~450 points 24 hex, something which does not exist anymore.
They work pretty well no matter the restrictions, as long as it's 400+ points. I haven't used them enough in lower point limits to know.

But it seems you're skipping over my 5-0 which impressed and surprised many including me?
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Re: Heroscape Power Rankings: Complete?

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Nagrubs with TKN. Squish, squish, squish.
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If I'm the one using Blade Gruts, these are the matchup numbers. Period. Some of these may be a little closer, but I doubt it.
Challenge accepted.

Your main event army vs. TKN, grubs x4, Raelin.

Gencon 2014 maps: you pick any 6 and I'll pick 4 of them for the games. Or the other way around, your choice.

Let's see if you can win 3/4.
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Re: Heroscape Power Rankings: Complete?

I played against Blades x4, Raelin, Nerak, Grimnak, Krav, Heirloom once (Cornpuff in 2011 Tournament of Champions). That was really solid.
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Re: Heroscape Power Rankings: Complete?

I don't see Blades as A-, I play alot of competitive heroscape. I think they are a solid unit, but not in the range with the other A- figures.

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Re: Heroscape Power Rankings: Complete?

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I played against Blades x4, Raelin, Nerak, Grimnak, Krav, Heirloom once (Cornpuff in 2011 Tournament of Champions). That was really solid.
That's much more competitive than straight Blades. It's just I find it hard to play range. (Won't say what I would otherwise, already got people offended for it before).
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