The Book of Wong

[Skeeter700]

The Book of Wong

C3G MARVEL PUBLIC EXCLUSIVE COLLECTION 12
DEATH AND DECEPTION


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The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from The Amazing Spider-Man set.
Its model number and name are #023 / Wong.

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Character Bio - Wong is a decendant of Kan, a monk who tried to atone for past wrong doings by dedicating his life to the service of mystics who served the forces of good. Kan further promised that his first-born male descendants would continue such service. As one of these first born males, Wong, from childhood, was dedicated in service to The Ancient One. He spent his childhood learning about sorcery and martial arts in a remote monastery. Upon reaching adulthood, the Ancient One sent Wong to serve his disciple Steven Strange. Since then Wong has loyally served Dr. Strange as he continues his fight for the forces of good.
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-Rulings and Clarifications-

• Q: If Wong uses Kan's Oath to take the damage instead of his master would he take the full damage rolled or the single wound that the master would take since that figure would have the Magical Defense special power.
• A: Wong would take all the damage. It's a matter of order of powers. When the master takes the wounds, the wounds are reduced to 1 wound because of Magical Defense. But since Ken's Oath triggers before this occurs, they haven't been mitigated down to 1 wound yet.

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-Combinations and Synergies-

Incoming Synergy:

• As a Human, Wong has these Human Synergies.

Outgoing Synergy:

• Wong may choose a Human with the Magical Defense special power to be his Master with his Loyal Manservant special power. Current Humans with the Magical Defense Special Power.

Immunities, Benefits, and Weaknesses:

• As a Human, Wong interacts differently with these special powers.

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-Strategy, Tactics and Tips-

• N/A

-Heroscapers Community Contributions-

• Initial playtest: (johnny139)
• Second playtest: (Arch-vile)
• Third playtest: (darkraptor5413)
• Art: Comic, Figure, Background
• Art by Flame Gryphon updated by japes

[Skeeter700]

NAME = WONG


SPECIES = HUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = MONK
PERSONALITY = LOYAL

SIZE/HEIGHT = Medium 5

LIFE = 4

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 3
DEFENSE = 4

POINTS = 90

LOYAL MANSERVANT
At the start of the game, choose a Human figure with the Magical Defense special power that you control to be Wong's Master. After revealing an Order Marker on his Master's Army Card and before taking a turn with his Master, you may first take a turn with Wong, and you may not take any additional turns with other figures you control other than his Master. When Wong and his Master are adjacent, both add 1 extra die to their normal attack.

KAN'S OATH
Anytime Wong is adjacent to his Master and Wong's Master rolls defense dice against an attack, before using any other special power, you may choose to have Wong immediately receive all wounds from the attack instead of his Master.

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Original Design:
NAME = WONG.[/SIZE]

SECRET IDENTITY = .

SPECIES = Human.
UNIQUENESS = Unique Hero.
CLASS = Manservant.
PERSONALITY = Loyal.

SIZE/HEIGHT = 5.

LIFE = 4.

MOVE = 5.
RANGE = 1.
ATTACK = 3.
DEFENSE = 4.

POINTS = 100.

LOYAL MANSERVANT
At the start of the game, choose a figure with the Magical Defense special power that you control. After revealing an Order Marker on this card and before taking a turn with Wong, you may first take a turn with the chosen figure. If Wong is adjacent to the chosen figure add 1 to Wong's normal attack.

KAN'S OATH
Anytime an adjacent figure with the Magical Defense special power rolls defense dice against an attack and would receive 1 or more wounds, you may instead choose to have Wong receive these wounds.

[Skeeter700]

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[Skeeter700]

This is very exciting to be LDing my first design!

Here's where my head was at when I came up with this Wong right-up:

Overall - Wong debuted in 1963. Like many other 50 year old characters, he has gone through more than one variation. The Wong I tried to represent was the one I read about in my favorite Dr. Stange story: The Oath (minus the brain tumor).

Stats - The Marvel Directory states the following:
*Strength Level: Wong possesses the normal human strength of a man of his age, height, and build who engages in moderate regular exercise.
*Known Superhuman Powers: None
*Other Abilities: Wong is an expert in the martial arts of Kamar-Taj, although he has rarely used them in recent years. Hence, although Wong can overpower many adversaries, he is no longer a match for a master of the martial arts who keeps himself at or near peak condition.

Special Powers:
I don't think either of the two powers are very complicated, but here's where my head is at:

* Loyal Manservant - When I originally designed Wong, this power specifically referenced Dr. Strange (a la Bob & Deadpool). However, it seemed that Wong would be more draftable if he was linked to The Magical Defense Special Power instead. I had thought about adding sight or distance limitations, but opted for the simplicity of the current power.

* Kan's Oath - Again a pretty straight forward power. Wong is prepared to 'take a bullet' for Strange so this power allows that to happen. I had thought about forcing Wong to take the wounds (sort of a counter to the attack boost of Loyal Manservant) and to represent the theme of Wong taking a bullet regardless of what Strange would want. However, I thought this might make Wong too easy to destroy given his fairly low stats.

I guess that's it for now. I hope I've set this thread up correctly and would be grateful to any advice on how to improve what is currently here.

From what I understand the next 48 hours are for spit-balling ideas, suggestions & questions. I'll be checking in regularly if you have any questions for me.

Thanks again in advance for your input. I'm really looking forward to getting Wong in the game.

[Scapemage]

Originally Posted by Skeeter700

* Kan's Oath - Again a pretty straight forward power. Wong is prepared to 'take a bullet' for Strange so this power allows that to happen. I had thought about forcing Wong to take the wounds (sort of a counter to the attack boost of Loyal Manservant) and to represent the theme of Wong taking a bullet regardless of what Strange would want. However, I thought this might make Wong too easy to destroy given his fairly low stats.

To contrast you here, I am worried that it will make the figure with Magical Defense too hard to kill. Figures with Magical Defense are already a pain in the rear end to kill, especially those with 6 or 7 life. I love the Magical Defense bonding, but I fear an insane power increase in Magical Defense figures.

[Skeeter700]

Thank you all for your comments so far. I've enjoyed sitting back and reading all your suggestions over the past 24-hours.

It is pleasing to see that the design is moving forward along the trajectory of the original write-up. At the same time some amazing improvements have been suggested. I’ve substituted two of these ideas into this design:

NAME = WONG.

SECRET IDENTITY = .

SPECIES = Human.
UNIQUENESS = Unique Hero.
CLASS = Monk.
PERSONALITY = Loyal.

SIZE/HEIGHT = 5.

LIFE = 4.

MOVE = 5.
RANGE = 1.
ATTACK = 3.
DEFENSE = 4.

POINTS = 100.

LOYAL MANSERVANT
At the start of the game, choose a figure with the Magical Defense special power that you control. After revealing an Order Marker on the chosen figure, before taking a turn with that figure, you may first take a turn with Wong. If the chosen figure is a Sorcerer, when Wong and the chosen figure are adjacent, both add 1 extra die to their attack.

KAN'S OATH
Anytime an adjacent figure with the Magical Defense special power rolls defense dice against an attack and would receive 1 or more wounds, you may instead choose to have Wong receive these wounds.

A Run-Down Of The Changes:

1) Wong’s class has changed to Monk, which I feel makes sense thematically.

2) The Loyal Manservant power has been changed to Bat’s version. It too is thematic, but also adds a degree of strategy to the design. I especially like how it strengthens the connection between Wong and a Sorcerer. The placement of the OM on the Magical Defense figure also strengthens the Manservant theme. I can understand the concern of others that this power makes Strange too strong. However, I feel that is thematic – Strange performs better with Wong around to help. Plus, at 4 defense and 4 life, Wong is not an insurmountable obstacle.

The other suggestion that has been discussed a bit was adding the Stealth Leap from the Shaolin Monks to Wong. Personally, I don’t think it is an iconic trait to this character and thus have not included it at this time. While I can understand the 'neat-o' factor of to having this monk match those monks, I’d rather build this design around who Wong is. However, if adding Super Leap gets enough support from others in the forum (who feel it adds enough in terms of game-play to be justified) I could go along with including it.

Again, thanks to all of you for your feedback. I look forward to reading any further ideas you may have.

[fret_gurglo]

With the current wording it would seem that Loyal Manservant would be able to alter Special Attacks and I don't think that was the intention (correct me if I'm wrong). Copying wording from Captain America, I believe it should be worded as such:

Originally Posted by Skeeter700

LOYAL MANSERVANT
At the start of the game, choose a Human figure with the Magical Defense special power that you control to be Wong's Master. After revealing an Order Marker on his Master's Army Card and before taking a turn with his Master, you may first take a turn with Wong. When Wong and his Master are adjacent, both add 1 extra die to their normal attacks.

[IAmBatman]

The game rules are that special attacks cannot be modified. It's how Captain America gets away with this on his Tactician special power:

All friendly figures adjacent to Captain America add 1 extra die to their attack, and 1 extra die to their defense.

No specification that it's just "normal" there. Also nothing about it not being leaving engagement attacks. But we know from the game rules that only normal attacks are affected.

Originally Posted by fret_gurglo

With the current wording it would seem that Loyal Manservant would be able to alter Special Attacks and I don't think that was the intention (correct me if I'm wrong). Copying wording from Captain America, I believe it should be worded as such:

[fret_gurglo]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

The game rules are that special attacks cannot be modified. It's how Captain America gets away with this on his Tactician special power:

No specification that it's just "normal" there. Also nothing about it not being leaving engagement attacks. But we know from the game rules that only normal attacks are affected.

Ok np. I was referring to the C3G version however.

[Viegon]

It's a messy power, but I'm not convinced it's really an issue. If we do want to try to clarify it, I think we'd be best off with something like:

KAN'S OATH
Anytime Wong is adjacent to his Master and Wong's Master rolls defense dice against an attack, you may choose to have Wong receive all the wounds that would be inflicted by that attack instead of his Master.

It's still not perfect but the "all" helps enforce the intent I think.

[Viegon]

Originally Posted by Ronin

I don't think this is at all clear from the card text. I'd recommend adjusting the power, especially since it doesn't seem like much of a candidate for re-use and there's plenty of room on the card. Just tacking on an extra sentence, to the tune of this, should do it:

Alternatively, a strategy something more like this might also work:

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

You're not calculating the number of wounds his master would have received and then transferring them to Wong, though - you're calculating the number of wounds Wong would've received if the master's defense roll were his own. So his master defends, then the amount of skulls that are unblocked go directly to Wong at that point. Magical Defense never comes into play.

Not sure how to express that more clearly in the card or FAQ text, but those FAQs don't work, because Magical Defense isn't relevant in order to be ignored. If it were, it'd be because the Master was applying the wounds to himself and then transferring them to Wong, and that's not how the power works.

Originally Posted by Ronin

Fair enough. I think I'm seeing the intended order of operations a little more clearly now, but it still feels a little easy to misplay to me. Kind of a tricky wording, though. Lacking a better idea, I'll put it on the backburner for now. (Anyone with a good idea about how to really clarify this in the power is welcome to jump in, though)

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Yeah, I think the issue is inserting this power after the defense and before the wounds are placed. Were it placed when defense was rolled (so Wong rolls for defense) or after wounds would be taken (so Wong takes the wounds his Master would've taken) it'd be clearer in either direction. But the desired timing of this mechanic makes it real murky.

Originally Posted by Viegon

It's a messy power, but I'm not convinced it's really an issue. If we do want to try to clarify it, I think we'd be best off with something like:

It's still not perfect but the "all" helps enforce the intent I think.

Originally Posted by quozl

That seems more confusing to me. How about this?

Originally Posted by dok

This version brings up the engagement issues we've seen elsewhere though. If someone with Master Martial Artist is adjacent to Wong's Master but not Wong, does the autoskull apply?

Originally Posted by Viegon

Not a fan, really. I think the "as if Wong was rolling" will just confuse players.

Would reconfiguring the structure of my suggestion help?

Originally Posted by quozl

Seems about the same as what we have now.

Reviving this discussion with all the relevant posts I could find, and tagging the other Heroes: @SirGalahad , @Karat , @johnny139 , @TrollBrute .

[Karat]

I have sort of been following this, but what about something more like this?

KAN'S OATH
Anytime Wong is adjacent to his Master and Wong's Master rolls defense dice against an attack, before applying any other special power, you may choose to have Wong immediately receive all wounds from the attack instead of his Master.

I think this would solve all the issues while leaving it concise. Not sure the wording is perfect, but it conveys the meaning and I used special power as I'm sure there will be some MD figure somewhere that may have some other power that could be applied.