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Old June 2nd, 2006, 09:42 PM
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Summoning a Carrier

I remember this being discussed on HQ but it crashed before I could go back and read the outcome, if it ever ended. What if Saylind summoned Theracus or Brunak; would they be able to carry someone with them?

If so then you could move lindSay, summon Brunak, while carrying Drake. In essence you could move three heroes at once.

What if instead of Saylind it was the glyph of summoning?

---------------edit from Bunjee: adding info from post on page 24-------------
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I asked Craig Van Ness at comic-con about this and he said that he could see the confusion with the current wording on the Saylid card and would try to remember to put in the FAQ that Saylid should be read as if the summoned figure is "PLACED" next to Saylid.

I can't believe any of you ever doubted this.

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Old June 2nd, 2006, 09:44 PM
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umm no carry is only used when the carrying unit is activated.

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Old June 2nd, 2006, 10:18 PM
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I'm not disagreeing but I would like to know your source. Just quote the card or rulebook for me and I'll be happy. Thank you.

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i hae to agree with bobofett on this one. In theory, if i were brunak, and you were saylind, and bobofett was the player. Bobofett places a order marker on Saylind (you). you then summon me (brunak) with me having no warning at all. One minute, i'm standing there, the next i'm not. There would be no chance for the unit-to-be-carried to get on my back. ya know?



but then again, this is Valhalla, so some crazy stuff could happen......like me mindshackling your saylind, then you re-mindshackling your saylind........
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Old June 2nd, 2006, 10:54 PM
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...carry is only used when the carrying unit is activated.
I'm with bobofett on this one.

Things you might have missed in the rulebook:
Figures can't pass through friendly engaged figures.
Figures can't attack themselves.

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Old June 3rd, 2006, 01:21 AM
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Spear of Summoning
After moving and before attacking, choose any figure you control on the battlefield, then roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 1-8, nothing happens. If you roll a 9-20, move the chosen figure to any space adjacent to Saylind. If the summoned figure is engaged, the figure does not receive any leaving engagement attacks.
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Carry
Before moving Brunak, choose an unengaged friendly small or medium figure adjacent to Brunak. After you move Brunak, place the chosen figure adjacent to Brunak.
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Carry
Before moving Theracus, choose an unengaged friendly small or medium figure adjacent to Theracus. After you move Theracus, place the chosen figure adjacent to Theracus.
Since no one will provide a valid argument against let me provide one for.

Look at the cards. By logical order you move Saylind, roll to summon, if successful summon Brunak/Theracus, prior to moving Brunak/Theracus you choose an unengaged friendly Drake, you move Brunak/Theracus to any space adjacent to Saylind, you place Drake adjacent to Brunak/Theracus. I didn't make anything up; I didn't interpret; I simply read the card.

As an alternative they could have just as easily changed the wording on Saylind to say "place the chosen figure" but they didn't. If they didn't mean move and all it insinuates then why use the word at all.

So do you agree with my argument or do you think that the Hasbro designers are illiterate? And if you don't agree please tell me why.

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Old June 3rd, 2006, 01:24 AM
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Look at the cards. By logical order you move Saylind, roll to summon, if successful summon Brunak/Theracus, prior to moving Brunak/Theracus you choose an unengaged friendly Drake, you move Brunak/Theracus to any space adjacent to Saylind...
No you don't. You summon Brunak/Theracus next to Saylind. You don't move them.
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I think the answer is in the wording...
It says: "Before moving" and technically when they are summoned they are not "moving" based on the move allowed on their card.
Am I making any sense or am I just tired?
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Old June 3rd, 2006, 01:25 AM
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Shakey Snake beat me to the punch!
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Look at the cards. By logical order you move Saylind, roll to summon, if successful summon Brunak/Theracus, prior to moving Brunak/Theracus you choose an unengaged friendly Drake, you move Brunak/Theracus to any space adjacent to Saylind...
No you don't. You summon Brunak/Theracus next to Saylind. You don't move them.
Saylind's card says "move" one could argue that you would get to bring a figure along with Brunak.

I don't agree with it, but a rules lawyer could argue it.
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well there is moving and then there is moving.

when Brunak takes his turn he moves (if desired) and then attacks. this is the movement i'm thinking about when i read his card.

moving him as a result of being summoned is a different kind of moving, imo. he is not moving under his own power. it is not part of the "move phase" of his turn.

i know it's splitting hairs, but i think this is what is intended on the SP for Brunak (and Theracus).

edit: holy crap. i think 5 of us posted at the exact same time. or i'm just a very slow typer, which is more likely
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Old June 3rd, 2006, 01:31 AM
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You can't expect hasbro to get wording right if they can't get a release date right.

anyway i think what hasbro is saying is that you activate the card and then use its movement spaces that is the only time you can carry.

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