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Old November 24th, 2012, 01:09 PM
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Re: The Book of Racheim

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On to my real point: What about Triple Attack stops Racheim from attacking with his special attack on the second or third attacks?
The rules state you cannot use a special and normal attack in the same turn. Mok is an example where this is contradicted, but Mok's card explicitly states he can use both attacks in the same turn. Racheim's card does not.

Kaemon Awa's Quick Release Special Attack does not specify if his second attack must be special (but it must), so precedent exists for this kind of wording. I'm surprised an official unit doesn't exist with Double Attack and a special attack already.

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Old November 24th, 2012, 01:11 PM
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Re: The Book of Racheim

For what it's worth, all I did to mod Racheim's wings was tie the middle joint (where the clip is placed in the tutorial) together with some string (actually I used some old headphones because they were handy) and let is sit a few hours. It's held for a few days and doesn't seem to be falling.

Just letting people know if they're at all intimidated by the somewhat complicated mod described in the tutorial.

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Re: The Book of Racheim

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On to my real point: What about Triple Attack stops Racheim from attacking with his special attack on the second or third attacks?
The rules state you cannot use a special and normal attack in the same turn. Mok is an example where this is contradicted, but Mok's card explicitly states he can use both attacks in the same turn. Racheim's card does not.

Kaemon Awa's Quick Release Special Attack does not specify if his normal attack must be special (but it must), so precedent exists for this kind of wording. I'm surprised an official unit doesn't exist with Double Attack and a special attack already.
I always thought that this ruling (no special attack and normal attack on the same turn) was merely an extension of saying that a special attack takes the place of your normal attack. Choose one or the other to use, not both. This seems to give you 3 times to choose either one or the other.

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Old November 24th, 2012, 01:20 PM
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Re: The Book of Racheim

That's a fair assessment. I asked the same question when playtesting, and I was sent a response that made it totally clear. I deleted my pms though, so I'll search for it...
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Re: The Book of Racheim

Arch-vile is correct, and Quick Release Special Attack illustrates the point that you choose one or the other but you may not do both.

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Re: The Book of Racheim

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This seems to give you 3 times to choose either one or the other.
Actually, it specifically excluded as worded.

Let's look at the power:
TRIPLE ATTACK
When Racheim attacks with a normal attack, he may attack two additional times.
Even at in the most generous interpretation, the first attack must be a normal attack in order to activate the power, since the rule of page 14 of the RotV states that you may choose to either use a Special Attack or a normal attack. If you begin with a Special Attack, you're not attacking normally. But this overly generous interpretation could be incorrectly argued to allow the player to choose a Special Attack for the second attack or third. But this is actually excluded by the same opening preposition. Once you stop attacking normally the power is instantly negated.

Let's look at one other power, the Fen Hydra's Hydra Heads:
HYDRA HEADS
When this Fen Hydra attacks, it may attack up to 4 times. Reduce the number of attacks this Fen Hydra can attack by 1 for each Wound Marker on this Army Card.
If the Hyrda takes wounds from Opportunity Strike or Counter Strike, his future attacks are instantly negated - even if, such as the case could be with Opportunity Strike, no attack actually happened. This is the same syntactical effect that would negate Racheim's Triple Attack the instant the player tried to use a Special Attack. You check the condition of "When Rachiem attacks normally", if normally = FALSE no additional attacks.

(edit) According to the current interpretation of Evar Scarcarver's Double Assault, my above reasoning is wrong.

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Re: The Book of Racheim

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Arch-vile is correct, and Quick Release Special Attack illustrates the point that you choose one or the other but you may not do both.
As does Nilfheim's Ice Shard Breath. This is a standard Heroscape rule, guys. Nothing unusual going on here.

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Old November 26th, 2012, 11:53 AM
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As does Nilfheim's Ice Shard Breath. This is a standard Heroscape rule, guys. Nothing unusual going on here.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 11:42 PM
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Question: Is it official policy to use a fat or skinny peanut base for Racheim?
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His legs are not far apart, so the smaller peanut works.

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Question: Is it official policy to use a fat or skinny peanut base for Racheim?
His legs are not far apart, so the smaller peanut works.
For future reference though, we in C3V don't have any official policies regarding the different peanut bases. As long as it's a peanut and it fits, you should be able to use it.
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