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Re: The Book of Upside Down - Final Editing

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Because that would let the Demogorgons pull off janky easy wins. Feel free to go read through that thread.
Hmm okay. Then how about take the rule as it is and apply it only to the Upside Down?

That should preserve the original fix as y'all intended, fix the Nick Fury hijinks, and avoid invoking a weird "the game cannot start" state that raises more questions than it answers.
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Re: The Book of Upside Down - Final Editing

Could do if you separated a specific Upside Down rule out from the general rules. (No way to define 'main battlefield' in a Galactus context) Anything that dida version of this would need something similar.

Personally I don't really care if the rules are unintuitive to people who draft weird troll armies.

That'd presumably look like:

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• Each winner of each battlefield is awarded 1 victory point, unless a special rule for that battlefield indicates otherwise.
And then on the Upside Down probably something like:

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• Players that controlled a figure on the Upside Down at the start of the game cannot receive a victory point for the Upside Down.
You could enforce the 'only if there's only one player with figures there' thing like the current rule is doing, but wouldn't matter for the test games, only in 3+ player situations, and this is probably a bit better for that.

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Re: The Book of Upside Down - Final Editing

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That'd presumably look like:

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Each winner of each battlefield is awarded 1 victory point, unless a special rule for that battlefield indicates otherwise.
And then on the Upside Down probably something like:

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Players that controlled a figure on the Upside Down at the start of the game cannot receive a victory point for the Upside Down.
You could enforce the 'only if there's only one player with figures there' thing like the current rule is doing, but wouldn't matter for the test games, only in 3+ player situations, and this is probably a bit better for that.
If nothing else, I think doing it like this would be preferable to effectively banning certain armies that wouldn't otherwise be an issue.
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Re: The Book of Upside Down - Final Editing

If the demos started in your start zone would that fix anything?
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Re: The Book of Upside Down - Final Editing

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If the demos started in your start zone would that fix anything?
I don't think so. There are other ways to make an army that starts off the battlefield that can trigger the same issues around the scoring of the main battlefield. It would also be a shame to remove something that is IMO a really fun and unique part of the Demogorgon design as it currently is.

I do think it would be kinda nice if at least some (not all) of the Demogorgons in an army -could- start in the start zone, so as to make an all-Demogorgon army actually playable without the risk of a turn 1 loss. It feels like a bit of a noob trap to have such a thematically obvious army be 50% (or more with initiative affecting powers on the other team) chance of an instant loss. But that's a different matter entirely.
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Re: The Book of Upside Down - Final Editing

Updated OP/future battlefield rules with @IAmBatman 's change. @Ronin , @Soundwarp SG-1 , and anybody else let me know where you think this is at and if there's anything else I should do when you have time. : )

Also we could have special Extra Battlefield rules for when a battlefield starts/is drafted at the beginning of a game, since I know Battlefields Divided was more intended for when Galactus eats a map in half. Astral Plane's Without A Tether is what I think keeps that contained form rules weirdness, but if there are ever future maps it'd be good to address. Also I was thinking of doing a writeup for Nightmare who I think uses Astral Plane to pull people in to torture/possess them, so on that front he might ignore that idk.

Also, what happens right now if Angstrom and the last of the other team both duke it out in the other dimension and one wins there.
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Re: The Book of Upside Down - Final Editing

Also if the Demogorgon/s started the game in your Start Zone it essentially wouldn't change anything gameplay-wise, so if that solves any debacles I don't think it'd be a bad change.
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Re: The Book of Upside Down - Final Editing

How much would this fix in terms of ruling issues?

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At the start of the game, place all but one Demogorgon you control on any empty spaces in the Upside Down battlefield instead of your start zone. After revealing an Order Marker on this card, instead of moving normally, you may place this Demogorgon Stalker on any empty space in the Upside Down battlefield.
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Re: The Book of Upside Down - Final Editing

At the start of the game, only place one Demogorgon in your start zone for all Demogorgon cards you control and place any others on empty spaces in the Upside Down.

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Re: The Book of Upside Down - Final Editing

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Re: The Book of Upside Down - Final Editing

Would probably be good if @Ronin or @toyhandle or @Soundwarp SG-1 or someone checked all this over to make sure we didn't break anything.

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Re: The Book of Upside Down - Final Editing

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Each winner of each battlefield is awarded 1 victory point, unless a special rule for that battlefield indicates otherwise.
And then on the Upside Down probably something like:

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Players that controlled a figure on the Upside Down at the start of the game cannot receive a victory point for the Upside Down.
You could enforce the 'only if there's only one player with figures there' thing like the current rule is doing, but wouldn't matter for the test games, only in 3+ player situations, and this is probably a bit better for that.
Probably better to go with something like that just for concision ^

You'd have to adjust the Upside Down-only rule to like "figures with the Upside Down special power" vs "figure on the Upside Down" now though, since your Demo tweak puts a solo Demogorgon on the main battlefield.
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