Armies With Point Adjustments - Based on Power Rankings

[killercactus]

I'm thinking of holding a tournament in which every unit gets an adjustment to their point value based on spider_poison's Power Rankings. I think it might encourage play from the less popular units. Here's the point scheme I'm thinking of:

A: +20 points
B: even
C: -20 points
D: -40 points
F: -60 points

* a + or - is 5 points (example, A+ units would be +25, A- units would be +15)

How bout some 500 point armies using this scheme? I'd like to see if anything anyone can think of makes sense to use. I'll throw one together to start it off:

Empress Kiova (C+)- 75
Einar Imperium x2 (C) - 240
Ashigaru Harquebus x3 (B-) - 165
Khosumet (F) - 15
Dumutef Guard (C) - 5

Total = 500

Wow, I was just trying to fill up the last 20 points and just realized that a Khosumet / Dumutef / Wolves army would probably have a lot of figures.....

[Metaknight]

Not a good idea. It should be about the unit, not it's ranking and the scenario. It's point value is how the designers intended and thought it would be best with.

[Elginb]

Yes! Do it! I'm interested in seeing if it plays better or not.

I don't think you should avoid doing it just because the designers came up with something different. I suspect that many of the players on this site have put in more hours of play-testing than the designers or their professional play-testers did, so it's perfectly valid for them to try playing with revised point values. And it would be nice to find out if the Power Rankings really hold up

Whatever the case, it's not really going to change the game, and I doubt that the designers are going to get their feelings hurt.

[killercactus]

I'm not debating whether or not the point rankings are accurate - as a matter of fact, I'll be the first person to defend all of the point rankings. I'm one of the only people on this site I've seen to contend that Taelord and Runa are adequately priced, and that Q9 isn't undercosted. What I want to do here is promote the use of units that don't see much tourney play by giving players a bonus for using them in their army and penalizing you for using the units that are always fielded.

Do you guys have any ideas for armies in this format? This one's crazy....

Anubian Wolves x7 (B-) - 455
Khosumet (F) - 15
Dumutef Guard x6 (C) - 30

Total = 500

I might scale it down even more to make the A's even in point cost and everything else gets a discount. The more I look at the rankings, the more A's I see on there... units like Elgrim and Isamu lose all value when you add 20 points to their cost. Also, Kyntela Gwyn (C-) goes into any army at 0 points...

[NecroBlade]

Make the adjustments a little less...extreme than they are now, and it might be worth trying out.

My suggestion:
A+...+25
A.....+20
A-...+15
B+...+10
B.....+5
B-...+0
C+...-5
C.....-10
C-...-15
D+...-20
D.....-25
D-...-30
F+...-35
F...-40
F-...-45

Examples:
Major Q10 180 > 205
Krav Maga Agents 100 > 120
Cyprien Esenwein 150 > 165
Blade Gruts 40 > 50
Syvarris 100 > 105
Tagawa Samurai Archers 65 > 65
Dzu-Teh 75 > 70
Dumutef Guard 25 > 15
Hatomoto Taro 130 > 115
Obsidian Guards 100 > 80
Spartacus 200 > 175
Dund 110 > 80
Khosumet the Darklord 75 > 35

[Browncoat]

Although I like this idea, I don't think it would play out well in a tournament setting. And if you're going to assign handicap scores to figures, a "C" rating should be 0 point difference, then adjust from there.

[NecroBlade]

Originally Posted by Browncoat

And if you're going to assign handicap scores to figures, a "C" rating should be 0 point difference, then adjust from there.

I agree, but then you're adding 35 points to the 4th Mass. ...105 points for one of their squads? Maybe that's not so bad, but could there be further adjustment for common squads, since they're usually picked in at least twos?

Updated adjustments:
A+...+35
A.....+30
A-...+25
B+...+20
B.....+15
B-...+10
C+...+5
C.....+0
C-...-5
D+...-10
D.....-15
D-...-20
F+...-25
F...-30
F-...-35

Updated examples:
Major Q10 180 > 215
Krav Maga Agents 100 > 130
Cyprien Esenwein 150 > 175
Blade Gruts 40 > 60
Syvarris 100 > 115
Tagawa Samurai Archers 65 > 75
Dzu-Teh 75 > 80
Dumutef Guard 25 > 25
Hatomoto Taro 130 > 125
Obsidian Guards 100 > 90
Spartacus 200 > 185
Dund 110 > 90
Khosumet the Darklord 75 > 45

...you know, I think I really like where those points ended up.

[Aldin]

Back in August on page 27 of the Power Rankings thread:

Originally Posted by Scytale

I came up with a formula to adjust the cost of units based on their current rankings. The formula currently adjusts all the units up or down to a B+. I tinkered with the rate of % change of cost until it felt about right (but it can easily be adjusted).

Anyways, if anyone is interested, here's what I came up with. If nothing else, these values could help indicate how "right" the current rankings seem to be.

• 4th Massachusetts Line 95
  Acolarh 75
  Agent Carr 85
  Airborne Elite 120
  Alastair Macdirk 110
  Anubian Wolves 65
  Armoc Vipers 60
  Arrow Gruts 50
  Ashigaru Harquebus 50
  Ashigaru Yari 30
  Aubrien Archers 75
  Blade Gruts 40
  Blastatrons 75
  Braxas 255
  Brunak 95
  Charos 180
  Concan the Kyrie Warrior 75
  Crixus 85
  Cyrpien Esenwein 165
  Deadeye Dan 45
  Deathreavers 55
  Deathstalkers 80
  Deathwalker 7000 50
  Deathwalker 8000 90
  Deathwalker 9000 95
  Dumutef Guard 20
  Dund 65
  Dzu-Teh 60
  Eldgrim the Viking Champion 35
  Elite Onyx Vipers 75
  Empress Kiova 70
  Finn the Viking Champion 75
  Gladiatrons 100
  Gorillinators 75
  Grimnak 100
  Guilty McCreech 30
  Hatamoto Taro 90
  Heavy Gruts 70
  Isamu 10
  Iskra Esenwein 40
  Izumi Samurai 55
  James Murphy 70
  Johnny "Shotgun" Sullivan 50
  Jotun 190
  Kaemon Awa 145
  Kee-Mo-Shi 110
  Kelda the Kyrie Warrior 60
  Khosumet the Darklord 40
  Knights of Weston 85
  Kozuke Samurai 90
  Krav Maga Agents 120
  Krug 145
  Kyntela Gywn 15
  Laglor 120
  MacDirk Warriors 65
  Major Q9 250
  Major X17 75
  Marcu Esenwein 20
  Marcus Decimus Gallus 110
  Marrden Hounds 85
  Marro Drones 50
  Marro Warriors 60
  Master Win Chiu Woo 130
  Me-Burq-Sa 60
  Microcorp Agents 85
  Mimring 125
  Minions of Utgar 135
  Morsbane 65
  Nakita Agents 120
  Ne-Gok-Sa 85
  Nerak the Glacian Swog Rider 40
  Nilfheim 225
  Ninjas of the Northern Wind 100
  Obsidian Guards 65
  Omnicron Snipers 100
  Ornak 85
  Parmenio 60
  Raelin the Kyrie Warrior 110
  Rechets of Bogdan 40
  Retiarius 65
  Roman Archers 40
  Roman Legionnaires 60
  Runa 85
  Sacred Band 45
  Saylind the Kyrie Warrior 65
  Sentinels of Jandar 95
  Sgt. Drake Alexander 95
  Shades of Bleakewood 75
  Shaolin Monks 70
  Sir Denrick 85
  Sir Gilbert 130
  Sir Hawthorne 75
  Sonya Esenwein 45
  Spartacus 120
  Su-Bak-Na 135
  Sudema 90
  Swog Rider 30
  Syvarris 90
  Taelord the Kyrie Warrior 130
  Tagawa Samurai 110
  Tagawa Samurai Archers 55
  Tarn Viking Warriors 45
  Templar Cavalry 95
  The Einar Imperium 105
  Theracus 40
  Thorgrim the Viking Champion 65
  Tornak 80
  Valguard 85
  Venoc Vipers 35
  Venoc Warlord 110
  Warden 816 75
  Warriors of Ashra 45
  Zettian Guards 50
  Zombies of Morindan 55

Most of those numbers looked pretty good if you wanted to do something in this realm.

~Aldin, who thinks this stuff is just shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic

[NecroBlade]

Thanks, Aldin! I knew there were more of these around somewhere. I'll have to compare those to the points generated by my system above.

Also, I don't think I'd compare Heroscape to the Titanic.

[gamjuven]

This looks liek it would be fun. Now for armies like the wolves and dumutefs, just make sure to have a 24 hex starting zone like usual and that will probably work itself out.

[Scytale]

For those interested in the numbers Aldin posted above, here are the adjusted costs for units added to the rankings after my initial post.

• Major Q10 165
  Marrden Nagrubs 30
  Marro Drudge 35
  Marro Hive 160
  Marro Stingers 75
  Raelin the Kyrie Warrior (SotM) 110
  Sgt. Drake Alexander (SotM) 170
  Shiori 45
  Sonlen 145
  Tor-Kul-Na 200

[Sisyphus]

I think it would be much simpler to allow armies without the A units to have more points. For example an army with A units can be 440 points while an army without A units(and perhaps a mandatory C or worse unit) can be 500 points.