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Re: Cheetah (Priscilla Rich) - Public Playtesting

Hmm, tough to get much on her costing there, as they were two blowouts, neither of which really seemed to be blowouts based on her performance. His analysis suggests that she felt good as is, though, at least!

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Re: Cheetah (Priscilla Rich) - Public Playtesting

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NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Cheetah

Army Test
Map: Moon Base Alpha
Units: Cheetah (120), Crime Alley Crooks x3 (195), Gentlman Ghost (165), Oracle (110) (590) VS Luke Cage (190), Iron Fist (260), Spider-Girl (140) (590)
Unit Summary:
Damage:
none.
Stealth Leap: 0 times used.
Pounce 1: 0 dice added.
Defensive Agility: 2 attacks blocked.
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Army Test
Map: Island Plane Crash
Units: Cheetah (120), Robot (210), Star-Lord (250), Meteorite (210), Red Skull (220) (1010) VS Professor X (220), Angel (90), Jean Grey (180), Dazzler (100), Deadpool (285), Harpoon (130) (1005)
Unit Summary:
Damage:
1 wound to Deadpool, 2 to Jean.
Stealth Leap: 4 times used.
Pounce 1: 4 dice added.
Defensive Agility: 0 attacks blocked.
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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: Power level wise, she seems fine. She didn’t do a lot here for me, but she’s a filler-level unit, so that’s to be expected, and Jean preventing her movement twice in the second game didn’t help. 120 feels a little high to me, but it doesn’t seem too far off if the other results back it up.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: She’ll have plenty of competition for draft slots in the 100-120 range, but she’s a fun unit and you can get her attack up fairly high in the right situation. I wouldn’t mind seeing Pounce bumped to +2 or Defensive Agility allowing her to Leap after defense, but she’s solid as-is.

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Re: Cheetah (Priscilla Rich) - Public Playtesting

5 of 6 in army tests so far. I know that's not all her, but it's enough to make me not want to lower her cost any (particularly with her having performed well in my tests). Your tests make me feel better if I don't end up raising her cost, though.

I'm thinking it's worth holding out for at least one more test here. Her teams have had some pretty big wins, so I want to make sure that's not a result of her having any issues.

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Re: Cheetah (Priscilla Rich) - Public Playtesting

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I wouldn’t mind seeing Pounce bumped to +2 or Defensive Agility allowing her to Leap after defense, but she’s solid as-is.
These both sound like pretty good ideas to me. If both were added as you could leap out of engagement on defense and set yourself up for a pounce of 6 on your next attack. Or maybe make her normal att. 3, with pounce bringing it up to 5 (6 w/HG, CA, Starlord, etc.) in order to keep her cost down.
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Re: Cheetah (Priscilla Rich) - Public Playtesting

I'm not really looking to make her tougher. Or more complex, for that matter. One of the goals for this design is to embrace elegance. Another is to move efficiently, which precludes unnecessary changes at this stage.

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Re: Cheetah (Priscilla Rich) - Public Playtesting

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I'm not really looking to make her tougher. Or more complex, for that matter. One of the goals for this design is to embrace elegance. Another is to move efficiently, which precludes unnecessary changes at this stage.
Yeah, I figured you wanted to keep her simple. Thought I'd throw the suggestions out just in case. I think I mostly had a couple unlucky games with her. Better defense in the first game, or a big attack roll in the second could have been pretty big game changers.

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Re: Cheetah (Priscilla Rich) - Public Playtesting

For sure. One thing about her is that with her best synergy options (Crime Alley Crooks or Suicide Squad) you can usually screen her off pretty well from ranged attacks and then pounce her in as an assassin against figures without special attacks, at which point Defensive Agility is pretty annoying.

Also, she really does frustrate Wonder Woman one-on-one, which is fun.

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Re: Cheetah (Priscilla Rich) - Public Playtesting

Thanks, Toby! I think the theme you're thinking of might be more appropriate for the Barbara Minerva Were-Cheetah version of the character, not this golden age version.

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Army Test 1
Map: BOV - Ruins of Pine Tree Marsh
UNITS
• Cheetah 120, Crime Alley Crooks x2 130, Two-Face 130, Penguin 120
• Wonder Woman 300, Silk Spectre 100, Robin 100
Summary
Round 1
• Silk Spectre and Robin advance.
• Cheetah and 3 CACs (Crime Alley Crooks) advance.
• Silk Spectre advances. Robin advances and destroys a CAC
• Cheetah advances and pounces Robin for 3 wounds, destroying Robin. 3 CACs advance and 2 attack Silk Spectre for 1 wound.
• Silk Spectre advances and whirlwind assaults 2 CACs destroying 1 of them.
• Penguin's with Self Importance advances and fails an attack on Silk Spectre.
Round 2
• Cheetah advances. 2 CACs advance (1 ends its move on an attack glyph) and two attack Silk Spectre for 1 wound. Silk Spectre Counter Strikes the second CAC.
• Wonder Woman Golden Lassos Cheetah and attacks Cheetah for 3 wounds.
• Self-Importance allows Penguin to Umbrella Copter over Silk Spectre attacking her for 2 wounds and destroying Silk Spectre.
• Silk Spectre has been destroyed and a turn is wasted.
• Cheetah Attack Wonder Woman for 1 wound. 2 CACs advance.
• Wonder Woman attacks Cheetah for 1 wound, destroying Cheetah.
Round 3
• Wonder Woman advances.
• Two-Face advances.
• Wonder Woman advances and destroys the CAC on the attack glyph.
• Two-Face advances on to the attack glyph and is unable to attack Wonder Woman due to the Flip of the Coin.
• Wonder Woman attacks Two-Face for no damage.
• Two Face attacks Wonder Woman twice doing no damage and then 2 wounds.
Round 4
• Wonder Woman attacks Two-Face for 3 wounds.
• Penguin's Self Importance allows him to advance and attack Wonder Woman for no damage.
• Wonder Woman attacks Two-Face for 2 wounds and destroys Two-Face.
• Two-Face has been destroyed and a turn is wasted.
• Wonder Woman advances onto the attack glyph, Golden Lasso's Penguin, and attacks him for 2 wounds.
• Penguin attacks Wonder Woman for no damage.
Round 5
• Penguin attacks Wonder Woman for no damage.
• Wonder Woman attacks Penguin for 2 damage and destroys Penguin.
• 2 CACs advance and 1 CAC attack Wonder Woman for no damage.
• Wonder Woman advances to height advantage.
• 2 CACs advance and attack Wonder Woman for 1 wound.
• Wonder Woman advances, attacks a CAC, and destroys him.
Round 6
• Wonder Woman attacks and destroys the last CAC.
Who won and how many wounds did they have?
Wonder Woman was the only survivor with 2 Life Points.
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Army Test 2
Map:
BOV - Ruins of Pine Tree Marsh
UNITS
• Alien Drone 120, Firestar 120, Penguin 120, Yukio 120
• Cheetah 120, Pyro 120, Yellow Jacket 120, Typhoid Mary 120
Summary
Round 1
• Firestar and Yukio advance.
• Yellow Jacket advances.
• Penguin’s Self Importance allows him to advance.
• Yellow Jacket advances and uses Shrink Ray Gun on Yukio.
• Firestar and Yukio advance and attack Yellow Jacket for no damage.
• Yellow Jacket uses Yellow Jacket Sting Special Attack on Firestar and Yukio causing 1 wound to Yukio.
Round 2
• Cheetah advances.
• Firestar attacks Yellow Jacket for 1 wound. Yukio attacks Yellow Jacket for 2 wounds.
• Cheetah Pounces on Firestar causing 3 wounds.
• Firestar attacks Cheetah for no damage. Yukio attacks Yellow Jacket for no damage.
• Cheetah attacks Firestar for no damage.
• Firestar attacks Cheetah for 2 wounds. Yukio attacks Yellow Jacket for 1 wound which destroys Yellow Jacket.
Round 3
• Firestar and Yukio attack Cheetah for no damage.
• Cheetah attacks Firestar for no damage.
• Firestar attacks Cheetah for no damage and Yukio attacks Cheetah for 1 wound.
• Cheetah attacks Firestar for 1 wound, destroying Firestar.
• Penguin advances due to Self-Importance and attacks Cheetah for no damage.
• Typhoid Mary advances.
Round 4
• Cheetah attacks Yukio for no damage.
• Yukio attacks Cheetah causing 1 wound and destroying Cheetah.
• Typhoid Mary advances and attacks Yukio with Pyrokinesis causing 2 wounds.
• Self-Importance allows Penguin to use Umbrella Helicopter and attack Typhoid Mary with Umbrella Gun causing 1 wound.
• Typhoid Mary attacks Yukio and destroys her.
• Yukio is destroyed and an order marker is wasted.
Round 5
• Alien Drone advances.
• Typhoid Mary Dissociative Disorder causes her to miss a turn.
• Alien Drone advances and attacks Typhoid Mary for 1 wound.
• Typhoid Mary attacks Alien Drone for 2 wounds and destroys Alien Drone. Acid Blood causes 1 wound to Typhoid Mary.
• Alien Drone is destroyed and a turn is wasted.
• Pyro advances.
Round 6
• Penguin uses Umbrella Copter and Umbrella Gun on Typhoid Mary for no damage.
• Typhoid Mary attacks Penguin causing 2 wounds.
• Penguin attacks Typhoid Mary for 1 wound, destroying Typhoid Mary.
• Pyro attacks Penguin for 2 wounds, destroying Penguin.
Who won and how many wounds did they have?
Pyro was the only survivor with 4 Life Points.
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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: During the first game, Cheetah seemed to deal out equal damage to what she was worth and the game ended very close. The second game wasn’t as close but the losing team seemed to do worse on the luck side of the game. In both games, the Pounce ability was very beneficial to Cheetah. Cheetah is very draftable as she fits in well with the Thief faction and synergies.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: As is, Cheetah is a solid unit. My only concern is that she is so weak compared to Wonder Woman that she hardly seems like a worthy adversary thematically. It would be nice to see her Attack and Point Cost increased to put her in a more powerful league. I would also recommend that her Move be increased to 7, once again citing theme.

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Re: Cheetah (Priscilla Rich) - Public Playtesting

[IAmBatman] Initial Tests:

Game 1: Cheetah (100), Amanda Waller (195), Bane (190), Weather Wizard (100), Trickster (65), Deadshot (150), Killer Croc (200) (1,000) Vs. Oracle (110), Black Canary (190), Batman (200), Robin (Tim) (120), Green Arrow (Connor) (130), Alfred (60), Batgirl (Cassie) (130), Beat Cops x1 (65) (1,005)

Results: Amanda Waller Full Life wins.

Game 2: Cheetah (100), Crime Alley Crooks x4 (260), Gentleman Ghost (165) (525) Vs. Wonder Woman (300), Aquaman (I) (230) (530)
Results: Crime Alley Crooks with 4 of 12 figures and Full Life Cheetah and Gentleman Ghost win.

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[Ronin] Public Test: (Cost up to 120 from 100)

Game 1: Cheetah, Crime Alley Crooks x2, Shocker, Oracle, Shadowcat (600) vs Wonder Woman, Angel (Warren), Robot (600)
Results: Shocker with 1 wound, 2 Crime Alley Crooks, Oracle and Shadowcat unwounded

Game 2: Cheetah, Robot, Red Skull, Atom (Ray Palmer) (600) vs Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Moon Knight (600)

Results: Team 1 unwounded
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[TrollBrute] Public Test: (No changes)

Game 1: Cheetah (120), Crime Alley Crooks x3 (195), Gentlman Ghost (165), Oracle (110) (590) VS Luke Cage (190), Iron Fist (260), Spider-Girl (140) (590)

Results: Iron Fist with 2/5 wounds.

Game 2: Cheetah (120), Robot (210), Star-Lord (250), Meteorite (210), Red Skull (220) (1010) VS Professor X (220), Angel (90), Jean Grey (180), Dazzler (100), Deadpool (285), Harpoon (130) (1005)
Results: Robot with 4/5 wounds, Red Skull with 3/5, Star-Lord and Cheetah unwounded.
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[twilkerson] Public Test: (Changes since last test)

Game 1: Cheetah 120, Crime Alley Crooks x2 130, Two-Face 130, Penguin 120 (500) vs. Wonder Woman 300, Silk Spectre 100, Robin 100 (500)

Results: Wonder Woman with 2 Life wins

Game 2: Alien Drone 120, Firestar 120, Penguin 120, Yukio 120 (480) vs. Cheetah 120, Pyro 120, Yellow Jacket 120, Typhoid Mary 120 (480)

Results: Pyro with 4 Life wins
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Overall W/L Record: 6-2 (2-0 at 100, 4-2 at 120)
Comments on Figure's Impact on Results: Most users found her solid, but unspectacular and the general impression was that she wasn’t driving the results. That said, wins came more consistently and by bigger margins here, even at 120.

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My guts say go forward at 130 .... but I'm not settled on that.

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I trust you on this. 130 definitely seems about right to me.
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Re: Cheetah (Priscilla Rich) - Public Playtesting

Doesn't seem like she'd be influencing the results much here, and that win/loss ratio at 120 isn't that extreme (if one of those wins swung the other way you'd be looking at 3/3). I'd say stick with 120, though 10 points more isn't going to be that big a deal.

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