The Book of Terra

[Karat]

Originally Posted by japes

Agree. My only pause is that at her small cost any increase in points due to Raven being a beast is a greater % or increase. I’ll just ask future testers to maybe limit Raven to one test.

I need to look into TTS thing and find out what it actually costs.

TTS is $19.99 unless it goes one sale.

[Yodaking]

If there is a concern about Raven skewing testing results, should we suspend her from testing like Punisher currently is or flat out reevaluate her?

[MrNobody]

Banning her from testing makes it essentially impossible to accurately price new Titans, because they will be played with Raven out in the wild. And re-evaluation seems to be really backed up and de-energized right now.

I’m sure I missed some IS discussion, but what exactly is holding up re-evals right now? I was pretty excited about the Zod one tbh.

[IAmBatman]

Lack of interest and clear direction forward, mostly.

[japes]

Originally Posted by Yodaking

If there is a concern about Raven skewing testing results, should we suspend her from testing like Punisher currently is or flat out reevaluate her?

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I’m not saying she’s broken and shouldn’t be used in test. She’s strong. My feeling is that if we split our Titans test half with and half without we can watch for a pattern. If any figure is contributing a visible advantage, then That figure should shoulder the burden...whenever possible. So if we do see a figure for instance win most games with figure x and lose most games with figure x then that would trigger a deeper look and possible reval.

I’ve discussed this so much in the past that I forget who and where sometimes so anyone knew to the conversation probably misunderstood my comment. That’s my fault.

[japes]

Originally Posted by Karat

TTS is $19.99 unless it goes one sale.

One time purchase or are there add ons/subscriptions needed.

[Arkham]

Originally Posted by japes

One time purchase or are there add ons/subscriptions needed.

One time. Everything added is stuff done by the public such as myself, so that’s all free.

[IAmBatman]

Add ons are needed to play some games on it, but not C3G or Heroscape. Most of the content on there is fan-made and free to use.

again. (and too!)

[IAmBatman]

Originally Posted by japes

TERRA MANIPULATION
Start the game with 2 Small Rock Outcrop Destructible Object on this card. Instead of moving you may place up to two Small Rock Outrcrops within 5 spaces of Terra. Instead of attacking, you may destroy a Small Rock Outcrop within 5 spaces of Terra. Whenever the Small Rock Outcrop from this card is destroyed, place it on this card.

Can we make the requirement 5 clear sight spaces for the placement and destruction? She should be able to see what she's doing, right? This also prevents her from going inside a full cover vehicle and pulling her trick.

[Lord Pyre]

Sounds good to me.

[Arkham]

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Terra

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Army Test 1 (Arkham vs. Karat)
Map: Icy Road

Units:
Terra(110), Nightwing(200), Superboy(240), Starfire(210), Arsenal(190) (950)
vs.
Batman I, Superman I, Ms. Marvel (950)

Spoiler Alert!

Attack Damage:


Terra Manipulation:
R4T1: Places 2 rocks down.
R4T2: Crumbles 1 rock, but Superman avoids the wound.
R4T3: Crumbles 1 rock, 1 wound on Superman.

Rock Shield:


Earth Strength:
R4T1: Superman puts 3 wounds on Terra from height. (+1 def)

Notes:
R2T1: Arsenal puts 1 wound on Superman.
R2T1: Batman puts 3 wounds on Starfire(botch) with his Batarangs SA.
R2T2: Superboy puts 1 wound on the Ice Mountain.
R2T2: Ms. Marvel puts 1 wound on Superboy.
R2T3: Arsenal puts 1 wound on Superman, moves Superboy, and then Starfire takes 1 wound from Batman's Evasive Strike.
R2T3: Marvel puts 2 wounds on Arsenal.
R3T1: Superman kills Superboy. Ms. Marvel kills Arsenal(botch).
R3T1: Nightwing puts 1 wound on Ms. Marvel with his SA(botch).
R3T2: Ms. Marvel puts 3 wounds on Nightwing(botch).
R3T3: Batman kills Starfire and Nightwing(botch).
R4T1: Terra removes Bolas.


Superman with 3/7 wounds, Ms. Marvel with 1/5 wounds, and Batman unwounded.

Pretty one-sided game here due to poor rolls throughout the game for the Titans. They couldn't roll attack or defense, and ultimately nothing clicked. Superboy was ineffective, Starfire didn't get to do her thing, Nightwing botched when focused on, Arsenal under-performed, and Terra was fighting an extremely up hill battle.

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Army Test 2 (Arkham vs. Karat)
Map: Custom (Modified Country Road)

Units:
Terra(110), Ms. Marvel(350), Graviton(400), Diablo(140) (1000)
vs.
Dr Doom I, 2xDoom Bot, Puppet Master, Nemesis (Tom), 17xMoloids (1,000)

Spoiler Alert!

Attack Damage:


Terra Manipulation:
R3T1: Places 2 rocks. Destroys 1, kills 1/3 potential Moloids.
R3T2: Places 1 rock. Destroys that rock. Kills 2 Moloids, and 1 wound on Doom.
R4T2: Places 1 rock. Destroys that rock. Kills 1 Moloid, and puts 1 wound on Doom.

Rock Shield:


Earth Strength:
R2T3: Moloid puts 1 wound on her. (+1 def)

Notes:
Doctor Doom is the Moloid Ruler.
R1T1: Dr. Doom puts 3 wounds on Diablo.
R1T2: Diablo stops a Moloid and Doom from doing anything with Sleep Potion. Other Moloids move in.
R1T3: Doom kills Diablo. 3 Moloids are killed trying to attack Ms. Marvel. Nemesis gains 3 markers.
R2T1: Doom puts 1 wound on Marvel. Drains her. Puts 3 more wounds on her(botch). 1 Moloid is killed from attacking Ms. Marvel.
R2T2: Doom kills Ms. Marvel(botch).
R3T2: Moloid puts 1 wound on Graviton.
R4T1: Graviton kills 2 Moloids, and tosses Doom for 1 wound.
R4T1: Doom puts 2 wounds on Graviton.
R4T2: Doom kills Graviton.
R4T3: Doom puts 2 wounds on Terra. Drains her. Kills her.


Doom with 3/6 wounds. 7 Moloids remaining. 2 Doombots remaining. Puppet Master and Nemesis unwounded.

Another sizable loss here for Terra. Her army just got swarmed and there wasn't much they could do. She did a fair amount of damage, but ultimately her team just weren't cutting it.

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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY:
She's ok I guess. Wasn't blown away by her, although the concept is neat. Hard to say what can be attributed to just poor luck or poor matchups, but overall the 2 medium-big losses here didn't do much to feel much about. Being 110 points, and up against some pretty ruthless armies, she did the best she could and I'd say it was more on her team that ultimately failed. I'm comfortable passing her at 100-110.

[Karat]

I'd pass her at anywhere from 90-110. She's a solid option but isn't anything too grand.