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I'm sorry, I wasn't meaning to imply mutual exclusivity, I merely wanted to put him in perspective. The Anubian Wolves are one of my favorite squads in the game, but you have to treat them as though they will never hit their 20 (or 19 with Khosumet), or else you will be severely disappointed. I draft Khosumet most every time, mostly for aesthetic reasons; the master strategist and tactician in me battles with the obsessive compulsive theme-nazi self, and I tend to draft "weaker" units because I like them better, and then analyze how to maximize their potential. Oh well.
(That is why I operate under the +2.39 average. There are some really good tables showing how certain you can be that the wolves will hit a 20. (See Elstree's posts on second page) If you use them often enough, they will eventually come through, yes, but for most of the game that you've just played, those extra attack dice weren't there. It's like standard deviation in a science class! *EDIT* As I see it, whether or not he's worth it depends on the number of turns you get with the wolves, right? The longer you play, odds are the more 20's you hit. So you just need to put a lot of turns on the wolves, however many squads you have. Focus on keeping them alive longest, and pick and choose to attack when you make it big. That way, if they stay alive, they'll get another chance to really tear your enemy a new one. Personally, I like using them with movement blocking characters (rats, knights, gladiatrons), so I can close in and kill my targets, and not be in too much danger from counter attacks until I hit another decent roll. If I roll low, I gang up on one lonely straggler, and bide my time until later. |
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You are also using the average bonus to describe Khosumet's worth which is fine except it is just that you are losing some information. I have been using a 25% chance of getting what is equivalent(or better) to height advantage to describe Khosumet's value. Again +1 attack is awesome and Khosumet will give it to you 25% of the time. Quote:
Sisyphus' Probability Tables Tournament Director: Makes running a tournament easy. Latest Battle Report: Florida Frenzy 2 |
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You are correct the actual results will vary significantly bewteen the two wordings in the short run, but until the dice are rolled it is impossible to say which wording would give better results. |
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I guess we're being somewhat vague as to what we're actually arguing here.
My main tenet is that, in determining whether or not Khosumet is worth his point cost, it is illogical to take into account numbers 2-18 on the die roll, as statistically they are not altered. (we agree on that last part, right? ) Yes, in any specific case Khosumet may (or may not) have affected it, but the chance (and long range average outcome) of hitting that tier was still identical. Therefore I hold that those ranges are not relevant to his point value. |
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I say Khosemet is worth his costs just because you can't roll a one with Unleashed fury which would kill an Anubian Wolf.
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Sisyphus' Probability Tables Tournament Director: Makes running a tournament easy. Latest Battle Report: Florida Frenzy 2 |
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May I put it this way?
There is no gravity of luck. Low numbers are not "more likely" than high. Quote:
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p.s. I hope to be as inoffensive as possible in this friendly argument. I've taken years of classes in this area, but it was years ago, and I am doing my best. |
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Im wondering if the new wolves in wave 8 will have "darklord" bonding!!!...wait...that wont help anything...um yeah...I'll...just be going now
...and then he used his fight money to buy two of every animal, and then he herded them all onto a boat and then he beat the crap out every single one. |
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This is a repost from a block thread:
I figure why not get the Heroes of Barrenspur with Me-Burq-Sa to combine with my Marros and give them a mounted unit, Sir Denrick to combine with my knights, and give them a leader, and Khosumet to actually lead my wolves. The Anubian Wolves that come with the minutemen and the wolves that will come in wave 8 with the militia. In that case, I will have 6 wolves led by Khosumet, but Khosumet looks fragile leading those Anubian Wolves. Those other guys weigh at least 80 lbs more than Khosumet. I was expecting an imposing figure in Khosumet, but it looks like a kicker next to a linebacker when placed next to the anubian wolves. I guess that I'm just making conversation, but they have the same height value. I don't care about choosing my army based on strategy. I choose an army based on coolness and personal appeal... even if it means that my units will die trying. Hail to the glory of HeroScape and bravery. |
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UNLESS, the new wolves have darklord bonding AND another power that can be boosted by Kho's special Unleahed Fury +1 to rolls. OR, if the new wolves have bonding PLUS provide a defensive screen / defense boost for Khosumet. OR, if the new wolves have bonding and a similar power to the Nagrubs where Kho can lifedrain one of them to remove any wound markers.... OR, if they just errata Khosumet and give him 6 defense instead of a paltry 3 so as to actually have a "sturdy sheild" as mentioned in his bio... "The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." ~ Thomas Jefferson |
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I don't care about choosing my army based on strategy. I choose an army based on coolness and personal appeal... even if it means that my units will die trying. Hail to the glory of HeroScape and bravery. Last edited by Hero Hot Hatch; May 6th, 2008 at 12:34 PM. |
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