The Book of Morgoloth

[boromir96]

If Morgoloth starts the game on the Acoloytes card, do Demons in your army still get the move bonus?

[Scytale]

Originally Posted by boromir96

If Morgoloth starts the game on the Acoloytes card, do Demons in your army still get the move bonus?

That's a darn good question. I don't think there's another case like this in the game yet. Are powers active if a unit is not on the battlefield? I'll discuss with the C3V Rules Team.

[Captain Stupendous]

Originally Posted by Scytale

That's a darn good question. I don't think there's another case like this in the game yet. Are powers active if a unit is not on the battlefield? I'll discuss with the C3V Rules Team.

My gut would be yes? Powers like The Drop, Rejected by Death, and Phase Teleport Device are active even when their figures aren't on the battlefield, so I don't know why Morgoloth would be any different.

[OEAO]

Is Marcus dies, Romans lose their move bonus. I believe the general rule of thumb is that unless the power specifically makes reference to being active when the figure is on the battlefield, it isn’t active.

Edit: and I know this isn’t a perfect parallel, but that’s the closest I can think of.

[Scytale]

Originally Posted by OEAO

Is Marcus dies, Romans lose their move bonus. I believe the general rule of thumb is that unless the power specifically makes reference to being active when the figure is on the battlefield, it isn’t active.

Edit: and I know this isn’t a perfect parallel, but that’s the closest I can think of.

Powers don't stick around if a unit dies, but being removed from the map isn't the same thing. The Drop, Cling, etc all work when the unit is off the map, but those powers can't be interpreted any other way. I can't think of another existing case like this.

[OEAO]

Originally Posted by Scytale

Powers don't stick around if a unit dies, but being removed from the map isn't the same thing. The Drop, Cling, etc all work when the unit is off the map, but those powers can't be interpreted any other way. I can't think of another existing case like this.

Agreed that there isn’t a comparable existing case. I think it’s distinct because those powers specifically reference being in play when the unit is off the board. I’m interested to see what the rules team decides (I can see it going either way, tbh).

[Chris Perkins]

I think Cal the Smuggler is a more relevant comparison than Marcus or the AE because he's designed to be off the map while still alive (and still be 'in play', of sorts).

Obviously Cal doesn't have a movement boost or anything like that, but say that he did boost move of all friendly figures by 1. Would that movement boost apply when he's fazed off the board? Would it go away until he fazes back? I have no idea, but I suspect the answer should be the same as it is with Morgoloth in this case. In any case, it's a relevant thing to keep in mind given that Cal introduced the notion of leaving the battlefield and then coming back, which could have odd effects if paired with any kind of stat boost or subtraction power.

[flameslayer93]

Speaking of acolytes, they need to be in Morgoloths synergies received.

[Sheep]

Originally Posted by OEAO

Agreed that there isn’t a comparable existing case. I think it’s distinct because those powers specifically reference being in play when the unit is off the board. I’m interested to see what the rules team decides (I can see it going either way, tbh).

Was this ever decided on? I'm working on a custom that would give a d20 boost similar to Khosumet while also waiting to be placed on the battlefield.

EDIT: I think the answer is no. When Marcus dies he is no longer a figure you control. Similarly, per the BftU rulebook, "if a figure is...waiting to be placed onto the battlefield, it is not considered a figure you control, but is still a part of your Army."

[Scytale]

Originally Posted by heroscaper2010

Was this ever decided on? I'm working on a custom that would give a d20 boost similar to Khosumet while also waiting to be placed on the battlefield.

EDIT: I think the answer is no. When Marcus dies he is no longer a figure you control. Similarly, per the BftU rulebook, "if a figure is...waiting to be placed onto the battlefield, it is not considered a figure you control, but is still a part of your Army."

The Rules Team discussion on this stagnated. I'll poke it again.

[SchismaticSounds]

Goblin Slashers can be added to Swarming Vermin Synergies and Corvor the Tainted One to Demon Leadership.

[boromir96]

Originally Posted by Scytale

The Rules Team discussion on this stagnated. I'll poke it again.

Hey! Curious if there was any update on this. I think it will be very relevant for me this OHS season.