The C3G Cave - Hangout

[Hahma]

Originally Posted by TrollBrute

She's got the physical presence of Captain Marvel, sure, but can she act? Given that she will have to carry her own film, as well as work inside of the larger Avengers group, she'll need more than the looks.

She can fight too..."for reals"

[Smithy Winfred]

Originally Posted by TrollBrute

She's got the physical presence of Captain Marvel, sure, but can she act? Given that she will have to carry her own film, as well as work inside of the larger Avengers group, she'll need more than the looks.

Marvel does have a history of using no-name actors in their movies, Robert Downey Jr wasn't exactly top tier before Iron Man 1 (I actually don't know of a single other movie he made prior) and now he's one of the most famous actors of the decade, so just because she has no fantastic credentials, doesn't mean that they are total trash. And oftentimes, good actors can deliver horrible performances when not well motivated, and lesser known actors can deliver incredible performances if they are really invested in the project, and it would be cool to have a person with the right presence for Captain Marvel, who is also very excited about performing the character. Sounds like a good option to me.

[quozl]

Robert Downey Jr actually was top tier before he made some extremely bad choices with drugs.

[TrollBrute]

I wasn't attacking her acting abilities (I've never seen her in anything so I have no clue if she's any good or not). I was asking a genuine question.

Originally Posted by quozl

Robert Downey Jr actually was top tier before he made some extremely bad choices with drugs.

Guy was huge until his substance abuse got the best of him in the mid-90s. Even by the time Iron Man rolled around though, he was in the middle of his comeback.

Originally Posted by Smithy Winfred

Marvel does have a history of using no-name actors in their movies[...]

Ed Norton, Tim Roth, William Hurt, RDJ, Jeff Bridges, Samuel L Jackson, Chris Evans, Hugo Weaving, Scarlett Johansson, Robert Redford, Zoe Saldana, Bradley Cooper, Paul Rudd, and Benedict Cumberbatch would all beg to differ. Even Chris Pratt had Moneyball, Zero Dark Thirty, and 5 seasons of Parks and Rec under his belt. The only real "unknown" asked to headline a film so far is Chris Hemsworth and let's face it, he's the weakest of the main Avengers cast.

I'm totally open to the idea of a no-name actor being cast for a role like Ms Marvel, as long as they have the acting chops to carry a solo film.

[Smithy Winfred]

Originally Posted by TrollBrute

I wasn't attacking her acting abilities (I've never seen her in anything so I have no clue if she's any good or not). I was asking a genuine question.

Guy was huge until his substance abuse got the best of him in the mid-90s. Even by the time Iron Man rolled around though, he was in the middle of his comeback.

Ed Norton, Tim Roth, William Hurt, RDJ, Jeff Bridges, Samuel L Jackson, Chris Evans, Hugo Weaving, Scarlett Johansson, Robert Redford, Zoe Saldana, Bradley Cooper, Paul Rudd, and Benedict Cumberbatch would all beg to differ. Even Chris Pratt had Moneyball, Zero Dark Thirty, and 5 seasons of Parks and Rec under his belt. The only real "unknown" asked to headline a film so far is Chris Hemsworth and let's face it, he's the weakest of the main Avengers cast.

I'm totally open to the idea of a no-name actor being cast for a role like Ms Marvel, as long as they have the acting chops to carry a solo film.

It's not that I'm not concerned, but I have seen tomes when quality directing and high enthusiasm can be more important than just having a big name actor on your cast, and Marvel has a history of quality control, so if they do decide on her, I would have faith that they believe she can carry the role, so we'll have to see on what they decide.

[japes]

Originally Posted by Hahma

Probably tough to go too deep into it. This goes on in everyday life all the time. Be it religion, politics, civil rights, animal rights etc. One side thinks they are doing what's right and acceptable, while those on the other side think the same thing. Often it ends up being treated as "one side is good and one side is bad."

As far as the movie and comics go, I suppose they just let the audience and readers decide what side they are on.

Yes but in the real world the good side and the bad are depending on which side you are on...technically if it were possible to find a completely unbiased neutral party from their prospective there wouldn't be a good guy or a bad guy a lot of times...now of course there are exceptions...

To me the best "bad guys" are characters that you can sympathize with in some way and think if not for that one turn he might have turned out different.

I mean Grendel's mom is a villain even though technically she was just avenging her sons death...

Harvey Dent's degradation to Two-Face is great.

Batman is also a law breaker and technically a bad guy from another viewpoint.

[Smithy Winfred]

Originally Posted by japes

Yes but in the real world the good side and the bad are depending on which side you are on...technically if it were possible to find a completely unbiased neutral party from their prospective there wouldn't be a good guy or a bad guy a lot of times...now of course there are exceptions...

To me the best "bad guys" are characters that you can sympathize with in some way and think if not for that one turn he might have turned out different.

I mean Grendel's mom is a villain even though technically she was just avenging her sons death...

Harvey Dent's degradation to Two-Face is great.

Batman is also a law breaker and technically a bad guy from another viewpoint.

Its hard to really depict two sides of an argument evenly, especially in such a condensed fashion as a comic or movie. The OG comic did have some nice back and forth between Cap and Tony, but ultimately, Tony is the bad guy and Cap is the good guy, which is why (spoiler) he surrenders in the end in order to stop the fighting, giving up what he believes in for the greater good of the community. Iron Man is shown primarily regretful of his actions and the lengths to which he has to go to defeat Cap, where Cap is all out devoted to his cause, which made it a lot less black and white than I think they were trying to go for. I doubt the movie will do any better, although I might be wrong.

[laughing matter]

I think Captain America and Iron Man were both right, and both wrong. I agree that superhuman registration is a good idea, but it should be optional, similar to military service.

[Smithy Winfred]

Originally Posted by laughing matter

I think Captain America and Iron Man were both right, and both wrong. I agree that superhuman registration is a good idea, but it should be optional, similar to military service.

Its not that both arguments were not valid, its that, when reading the comic, Captain America is portrayed as the hero, and Iron Man is portrayed as a villain, simply in the way the story is told. Iron Man is still a relatable, reasonable villain, who thinks what he does is right, but he is the villain nonetheless.

In other news


Still pretty pumped, I'm pleasantly surprised that they did not use the D23 expo to reveal tons of details about the movie, and I'm glad they are trying to keep the whole project secretive, it makes me very hopeful for the final product. Its always nice to go see a good movie with no expectations about the story, that goes double for star wars.

[Ronin]

As a Knights of the Old Republic fan, I do like how Revan-y our new Star Wars villain looks.

[Smithy Winfred]

Originally Posted by Ronin

As a Knights of the Old Republic fan, I do like how Revan-y our new Star Wars villain looks.

Can't agree more, Kotor was the first video game I ever played, and still one of my favorite rpgs of all time (2nd one is better though)

[Ronin]

Yeah, it's really a shame that Obsidian didn't get to finish KotOR 2. If the endgame wasn't in tatters, there wouldn't even be an argument for the first one being better.