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Old September 2nd, 2011, 11:15 AM
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Re: The Book of Zogross Hardscale

Okay, cool. I really like how that works. It's really unique, but (very importantly) it is very specific in such a way as to not be overpowered (custom cards lack such a level of specificity).
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Re: The Book of Zogross Hardscale

I always understood "target" to mean that you check for clear sight on the hitzone of a figure you're attacking from the target point of your attacking figure ... in which case it's only something you do for ranged attacks. This has always been my understanding, at least.

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Re: The Book of Zogross Hardscale

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I always understood "target" to mean that you check for clear sight on the hitzone of a figure you're attacking from the target point of your attacking figure ... in which case it's only something you do for ranged attacks. This has always been my understanding, at least.
Targeting also is performed when using melee based attacks/effects as well. Although you'd be right about the process to see if you can target, that is not targeting. Targeting just means choosing in Heroscape. Does that make sense?

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Old September 2nd, 2011, 02:31 PM
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I always understood "target" to mean that you check for clear sight on the hitzone of a figure you're attacking from the target point of your attacking figure ... in which case it's only something you do for ranged attacks. This has always been my understanding, at least.
Targeting also is performed when using melee based attacks/effects as well. Although you'd be right about the process to see if you can target, that is not targeting. Targeting just means choosing in Heroscape. Does that make sense?
Choosing is usually a specific term used in special powers (like Jotun's throw or Ne-Gok-Sa's Mind Shackle). I understand what you're saying Targeting is here, but it doesn't match my impression of how the term has always been used. Of course, the only time I can recall targeting being referenced on an official card is on the Nakita Agents, and they also specify non-adjacent. So, I really don't know. Is this something official folks have ruled on?

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Re: The Book of Zogross Hardscale

Well, if we had done this power it would only work on normal attacks. That's just the way the "official" units were designed. The term "target" is something we avoided as much as possible.

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Re: The Book of Zogross Hardscale

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Well, if we had done this power it would only work on normal attacks. That's just the way the "official" units were designed. The term "target" is something we avoided as much as possible.
Most of the time when do you something in a power involving another figure, the term "choosing" is used. So you don't "target" a figure for an attack, you "choose" it.

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Re: The Book of Zogross Hardscale

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Well, if we had done this power it would only work on normal attacks. That's just the way the "official" units were designed. The term "target" is something we avoided as much as possible.
Thank you for that, honestly. I can't stand the confusion that the term "target" generates. The only word that is worse is "phase," but luckily that is not on any cards.
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Well, if we had done this power it would only work on normal attacks. That's just the way the "official" units were designed. The term "target" is something we avoided as much as possible.
I agree, I would have preferred that the Tribal Protection power only activates on NORMAL attacks.

Just because simpler is better.
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Re: The Book of Zogross Hardscale

Thanks, all. The feedback is greatly appreciated.

I *think* dok and Xotli both answered all the specific questions this formulation caused, but if there are more, please keep them coming (or repeat them, if one was missed).

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Thanks, all. The feedback is greatly appreciated.

I *think* dok and Xotli both answered all the specific questions this formulation caused, but if there are more, please keep them coming (or repeat them, if one was missed).
That is an important point. I think any question this power's wording raises has an easy answer. Like earlier when I first asked about this power and my question was easily answered with the "affected" clause. We are all rules lawyers here :heart:. This is a nice little microcosm of society here on Scapers.

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Re: The Book of Zogross Hardscale

The really nice thing about Zogross is that he is an Ullar Warlord, but he's more or less never worth it with the Roman Legionairres. If you forsake Zogross's abilities, Ne-GoK-Sa is almost universally better.

So they help out the Armoc Vipers without just making the Legionairres more insane. That's good stuff.

I playtested Zogross, and he really brings the Armocs up a notch. Not to mention, he's very relevant to the Greenscales amidst a sea of stellar dragon competition.

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I playtested Zogross, and he really brings the Armocs up a notch. Not to mention, he's very relevant to the Greenscales amidst a sea of stellar dragon competition.
Thanks, the intent was definitely to give the Greenscales a bonding option that was a viable Lizardfolk alternative to the powerful dragons.
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