The Book of Cheshire (II)

[johnny139]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Not 100% following what you're saying here. Are you saying that the poisoning should only work on melee attacks and the combat barrage should only work when she's not engaged?

Currently, there's no restriction on when you can choose the 2 attack option. If you want to engage someone, subtract 2 dice, and attack them with better odds, you can. I think it should be binary, so to get 2 Attack, you have to be unengaged. Like so:

SWIFT COMBAT BARRAGE
Cheshire may attack with her normal attack up to 2 times at any point before, during, or after her normal move as long as she is on a space where she could end her movement. Before attacking normally with Cheshire, if she is not engaged, you may add 3 to her Range number and subtract 2 from her Attack number.

Playing with the multi-attack in range, melee, etcetera would be interesting too.

[IAmBatman]

OK. But you're good with her still poisoning from range, right?

[japes]

Originally Posted by johnny139

I like it in general. I think the necessity of rolling all skulls makes the poisoning hard to rely on, so I don't mind it being super strong. Really comes down to testing.

Originally Posted by Arch-vile

Cool design. Love the interplay between Swift Combat Barrage and Poisoned. Poisoned is super strong, so that would be my competitive worry. I'd almost want a way to get the marker off, and maybe then return it to Cheshire's card so she can use it again?

I'd limit Poisoned to Unique Heroes to avoid destroying Event Heroes like Anti-Monitor with it.

Should the poison marker continue to work after Cheshire is destroyed?

The intent is for it to be strong so therefore not having it return to Cheshire. You choose ONE priority target you want to poison.

Also not a fan of the blank removing it. Not very thematic with it just stop working.

If it becomes too strong I'd offer making it removed if she is destroyed...thematically you can say they forcefully retrieved the antidote from her. I for one would like to see how the "for the whole game" works out with the single poison ing and not moving in to another target after the first dies.

[Lord Pyre]

I like the poison triggering on all skulls with her able to lower her dice. Cool mechanic. Poisoned is super strong yeah.

My issue is that she STILL wants the boosters. I really hate AM here, not going to change my mind on that. At some point you'll want to use Poisoned, sure, but after she does just make sure Cap or Star Lord's boosts are active and you have a double attacker with AM that's annoying as all heck. There's just too much annoying cheese here. If we swap AM for something else I'm totally on board. Or if we ditch the double attack and just keep the range/attack mechanic, it might be fine. But my absolute top preference is throwing AM in a garbage can and never using it again.

[MrNobody]

I think she’ll be annoying and she’s still definitely geared towards stat boosters...but seems like Karat is pretty sold on AM here and it is a part of our game. I like how the poison ability requiring all skulls actually hurts her when working with stat boosters.

[Karat]

I like using AM sparingly where it fits and it absolutely does here. I'd have considered not here had the first Cheshire got it

I'm cool with her liking stat boosters after she poisons someone as I really think it makes her a less appealing option for them overall and better with static ones like Shredder who you can move in after she has poisoned her target. T

hinking I'll just switch to the once per game wording here on her poisoning.

[Karat]

Alright, updated to the "Once per game" wording. I think we are ready for an Initial then, so I propose we move to Initial Playtesting

I'll hit her after I finish Carrion.

[IAmBatman]

I'd put AM as more of a level 5 power, so I'd start her at 215 myself. Agree with how you got to your cost otherwise, though.

Wouldn't mind seeing the checklists, as always. Otherwise I'm a yea

[tcglkn]

Yea

[Karat]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

I'd put AM as more of a level 5 power, so I'd start her at 215 myself. Agree with how you got to your cost otherwise, though.

Wouldn't mind seeing the checklists, as always. Otherwise I'm a yea

If you want to see them, check your signature

[Karat]

COMPETITIVE REVIEW BOARD CHECKLIST

Spoiler Alert!

1. Does the design disrupt opponent's Order Markers in a way that offers a net gain in turns taken with strong figures versus the turns your opponent can take with strong figures (Ozymandias, Joker (I), Meteorite)? No
   
2. Does the design offer auto-wounding that either doesn't require taking turns or is otherwise extremely efficient (War Machine, Jason Voorhees, Cosmic Cube)? Yes, but limited to a single figure.
   
3. Does the design immobilize figures or prevent turn-taking (Blob, Spider-Girl, Diablo, Green Lantern Alan)? No
   
4. Does the design move opponent's figures in a way that's easy to pull off and can move figures multiple spaces in multiple directions (Graviton, Magneto, Vulture)? No
   
5. Does the design allow for moving friendly figures without taking turns, or for moving 2+ friendly figures while still taking a turn (Martian Manhunter [I], Green Lantern John, Angel)? No
   
6. Does the figure allow for two figures, one of them being a wide range of possible figures, to both attack on a single Order Marker (Zombie, Robot, Iron Patriot, Ms. Marvel, Rocket [II], Martian Manhunter [II], Nebula, Baby Groot, Havok)? No
   
7. Does the design offer any sort of passive boost outside of a narrow set of figures (Star-Lord, Sage, Brainiac 5, Captain America, Batman [III])? No
   
8. Does the design help keep your allies alive just by being nearby (Daring Decoy, Aaron Cash, Jocasta, Weather Wizard)? No
   
9. Is it OK for the design to have defensive abilities that could make it essentially unkillable in some matchups or endgame situations (Cosmic Cube, Healing Factor, Master Martial Artist)? Yes
   
10. If the figure has auto-destroy powers or powers that can force the opponent's figures to attack each other, are they balanced for strong opposing figures and/or boosts that can make the powers more reliable (Puppet Master, Psycho-Man, Enchantress)? No
    
11. Is the figure likely to earn its value many times over by either running out alone at the start of a battle (pre-eval Crow, Solomon Grundy) or by sitting in the startzone until the end of a battle (Arnim Zola, Silk Spectre)? Not really, but there is slight potential.
    
12. Will synergies in the design create concerns for future designs (Mad Thinker, pre-eval Enchantress, Star-Lord)? No
    
13. Does the design combo particularly well with one of the design concerns above (Magma)? Not that I'm aware of.

CONSISTENCY CHECKLIST (SHORT FORM)

Spoiler Alert!

Consistency Concerns
Name and Identity
Verify character is named in a way that is clear, accurate and feels consistent with the way other characters are named. Check

Uniqueness and Type
Verify that the power text reflects the listed uniqueness and type, that the uniqueness fits the character, and that squad size is listed for squads. Check

Left Box
If the character's species, class or personality is reused, verify that the character feels thematically consistent with other figures that have that species, class or personality. If they are not reused, verify that there is no pre-existing species, class or personality that would make more sense. Check

Size and Height
Verify that the listed size and height are accurate. Standing the mini up next to a stack of tiles, and a few other minis of various sizes, is encouraged. Check

Super Strength and Flying
Verify that these special powers are present if they make sense, and not if they don't. Check

New Powers - Names
Verify that any new powers are not using power names identical to, or very similar to, pre-existing powers. Verify that any new powers are actually new and not old powers with new names. Check

New Powers - Effects
Verify that the effect and timing of all new powers is clear. Verify that any logical immunities, benefits, or weaknesses (whether those be necessary for thematic or mechanical reasons) are implemented: consider whether defensive powers that work against normal attacks should also work against special attacks, whether or not a power has an elemental component that some figures should resist, and whether or not unliving figures (such as Undead and Androids) should be affected. Check

Reused Powers
Verify that the design is reusing powers in place of creating new ones, where reused powers could implement the same theme and mechanics with no differences or only trivial differences. Verify that any reused powers have the correct text. Check

Power Level
Verify that the character's movement, attack, range, and defense (in conjunction with any special powers that enhance those stats) feel consistent with the capabilities of characters with analogous powers and abilities. Verify that the character falls into a similar point range to characters with comparative powers and abilities. Check

[IAmBatman]

She's going to be one to watch competitively for sure.