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Old July 24th, 2017, 12:06 PM
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Re: The Book of Spell Rules

How about something like 'can only be negated by a MD figure'?
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Re: The Book of Spell Rules

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That seems like an odd ruling to me. If Doc Fate gets negated by Zatanna, seems like the Vapors of Valtorr he cast that round should also be negated.
I don't see the issue there V. If Fate cast a successfully cast a spell on OM1, and then on OM2 Zatanna negates Fate she is negating all future uses of his powers rather than past uses of his powers. Once the spell is cast Fate is not recasting the spell over and over again for the entire round, it is a fire and forget process where you cast the spell and then the effects play out on their own with no further input from the caster.

I think Ronin's suggested update would work.
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Re: The Book of Spell Rules

Eh, I think the theme is a lot more debatable than that. Some spells are a one-and-done thing, sure, but not all. It's not at all uncommon for a magic user to have to maintain concentration or continue a chant or what have you for the spell to stay in effect; disrupting that process would immediately cancel the spell.

Point being, the theme can be argued either way, as both are accurate, but ruling that spells are exempt from negation is an additional complexity to the rules (a minor one, but an odd one, in my opinion).

My ; I'm fine with the no negation ruling, I just prefer the simpler ruling.

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Re: The Book of Spell Rules

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Eh, I think the theme is a lot more debatable than that. Some spells are a one-and-done thing, sure, but not all. It's not at all uncommon for a magic user to have to maintain concentration or continue a chant or what have you for the spell to stay in effect; disrupting that process would immediately cancel the spell.

Point being, the theme can be argued either way, as both are accurate, but ruling that spells are exempt from negation is an additional complexity to the rules (a minor one, but an odd one, in my opinion).

My ; I'm fine with the no negation ruling, I just prefer the simpler ruling.


I also slightly prefer letting them be negated. Not a deal maker or breaker, though.
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Re: The Book of Spell Rules

See, I don't really picture spells as being part of the card, though. Like, if you negate Scarecrow after he's thrown his Fear Gas, the Glyph doesn't go away - just how he interacts with it. Same here. The spell and it's effects remain, but the caster just can't do anything further. The only exception is the special attack spells, which specifically put a power on the card of the caster.

But that's all from memory from me so maybe the rules don't reflect my understanding at all.
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Re: The Book of Spell Rules

They're all putting powers on the card of the caster, not just the SA ones.

I think this is the last little bit of business that really needs to be sorted out pre-release (besides the last few spells making it across the finish line).
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Re: The Book of Spell Rules

I just noticed this discussion. I really don't think you need a special ruling about negation. Rulings about the timing of negation already exist in classic 'scape.

For example, if Morsbane negates Estivara after she hits her Cloud of Darkness roll, she continues to have Cloud of Darkness active until the player controlling Estivara reveals their next Order Marker. This is because Cloud of Darkness is a triggered ability (triggered by the roll, in this case), and once the trigger hits the effects stand. Estivara no longer has the ability going forward, but the effects from when she last used it remain.

By contrast, something like Raelin's aura is an "always-on" ability (i.e. not triggered), so if she is negated the power turns off immediately. This is true whether or not Raelin has friendly figures within 4 spaces; the ability is always there whether or not it is being used.

Currently all spells are "triggered"; they are triggered by casting them. As such, they are not negated by the standard rules of Heroscape. If we ever created a spell that had a permanent effect that should be negatable (e.g. magic armor that added 1 defense or something) then it would be wise to phrase it as "the caster gains the following Special Ability: [yadda yadda]" so that it's clearly vulnerable to negation.

EDIT: the post where R˙chean explained this. AFAIK it's the only place where this ruling was ever (semi-)officially discussed.

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Re: The Book of Spell Rules

I like that analysis and ruling, dok.

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Re: The Book of Spell Rules

Alright, works for me. Might still be worth FAQing if only because spells are a new thing? Sounds like we're good, though.
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Re: The Book of Spell Rules

Cool.
Thanks dok.
Grats on the GC victories.
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Re: The Book of Spell Rules

Thanks for the insight Dok.
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Re: The Book of Spell Rules

Do I need to update anything here?
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