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Old May 21st, 2012, 05:53 PM
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Re: The Book of Destroyer Armor: Design

SP updated and sent to ERB. Got this response from david already.

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Destroyer Armor

When I first opened this, I thought this was going to be a new Green Construct for the Lanterns. However, the Mech Warrior listed Construct as its Class instead of Species. Still, a 500 point non-Event Hero sounds exciting, so let's check him out!

Disintegration Ray 14
I love straight-line abilities due to the way it puts emphasis on unit placement. Pretty nasty ability that you can only defend against with the luck of the d20. You also have to make certain you don't have any of your own team mates in the line of fire, which I always find fun to play.

Enchanted Invulnerability
Wow! And I thought Magical Defense was something.

He's like an Event Hero in training, isn't he?

Final Thoughts
I really like the Enchanted Invulnerability. You have his defense at a level where he's within the range of possibility of getting that badly needed 2+ wounds to ping him, but this still gives him staying power. If the defense had been higher, it might've made him too difficult for many squad figures. I'll just bet you're dying to see some more playtesting on this (not certain if the initial has been done at this point).

Since he's not an Event Hero, he will be vulnerable to mind control. Puppet Master will be absolutely wicked if Destroyer Armor has to fight against him.

Very interesting design, to say the least.
I initially had him pegged as an Event Hero, but it was decided that it wasn't thematic since the armor often gets "hijacked" so he needed to be vulnerable to mind control. I've been running some Heavy Hitter tests and this guy's survivability is not all that impressive really. He's looking more like low 400s right now. Against guys like Thor and Superman, they had no problem putting 2+ wounds on him.
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Re: The Book of Destroyer Armor: Design

I'm cool with low 400s fwiw. But if we want to up his value, more life, and a lower roll for his offensive power would be the way to do it.

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Re: The Book of Destroyer Armor: Design

Yeah, the 5 defense makes him woundable for squaddies and mid-levels, but at the same time makes him easier to wound by 350+ figures.

He has a single huge attack, but only has a couple more lives than Thor but a lower defense.

In an army test, he might be more valuable in getting the ray to affect more figures, and it will also bypass low life special defense heroes like Flash and GL's, so there's for sure value in that.

Vs. a bunch of squaddies, if they don't line up in a row for him, he will only be able to kill one at a time and while they can't whittle him down with 1 wound attacks, they can sneak in 2 wounds here and there, especially considering how long it will take to kill them all with a big single attack.

So like Bats said, bumping his lives by a couple and lowering the d20 roll to make it a more viable option would help in getting his cost a little higher than low 400's.

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Re: The Book of Destroyer Armor: Design

Also, if it's just heavy hitters being a thorn in his side, we could bump his normal attack up to 9 to help him bust through those Thor and Superman defenses more consistently.

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Re: The Book of Destroyer Armor

I have run a few tests with this guy, it's weird that he gets disengage and immunity to autowounds with what equals out to basically an auto shield that only tiggers if it would block the attack. I also find it weird that someone this guy only receives 5 defense dice. Overall I am disappointed with the defensive power. This guy needs more staying power so I am considering the following changes:

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NAME = Destroyer Armor

SPECIES = Construct
UNIQUENESS = Unique Hero
CLASS = Destroyer
PERSONALITY = Relentless

SIZE/HEIGHT = Large 6

LIFE = 10

MOVE = 7
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 9
DEFENSE = 7

POINTS = 450?

DISINTEGRATION RAY 14
Instead of attacking, you may choose 5 spaces in a straight line from Destroyer Armor. All figures on the chosen spaces within clear sight of Destroyer Armor are affected. Roll the 20-sided die once for all affected figures. If you roll 14 or higher, all affected figures receive two wounds.

ODIN'S ENCHANTMENT
When defending against a normal attack from a figure that is not an Asgardian and does not have the Magic Defense special power, the most wounds Destroyer Armor can take from that attack is one.

INVULNERABLE
Any time Destroyer Armor would be destroyed, it instead receives one wound.

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Re: The Book of Destroyer Armor: Design

Out of curiosity, who all did you test him against? Just heavy hitters? Squads are going to hate this guy with essentially Magical Defense + 7 defense. But I suppose it won't be much different from them taking on Superman and we are going for 400+.

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Re: The Book of Destroyer Armor: Design

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Out of curiosity, who all did you test him against? Just heavy hitters? Squads are going to hate this guy with essentially Magical Defense + 7 defense. But I suppose it won't be much different from them taking on Superman and we are going for 400+.
I tested him against Thor, Superman, Spider-Man+Commander Rogers, Iron Fist+Luke Cage, and Silver Surfer. And he only managed to beat the Silver Surfer 1 time and that was with 9 wounds.
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Re: The Book of Destroyer Armor: Design

Yeah, if he can't even put down mid-level heroes that change sounds good for sure.

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Re: The Book of Destroyer Armor: Design

Odin's Enchantment as worded only works against normal attacks too so it does have more weaknesses than it seems.
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Re: The Book of Destroyer Armor: Design

Changes look good Tickle, squaddies will hate him like Bats said, but mid-levels hopefully will still have a fighting chance.

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Re: The Book of Destroyer Armor: Design

I also think dropping his life down to 8 would be good now that he has a better defense power with a higher defense. I'll run a few HH tests with the powers and stats I posted above with him at 8 life and let you guys know how they turn out.
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Re: The Book of Destroyer Armor: Design

Heavy Hitter or Mid-Level Hero Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Pass with one edit [see next post]
- What should be the unit's point value? 440
- Give a brief overview. This was much better, without a special attack or multiple attacks or being an Asgardian you won't do well against the Destroyer Armor, otherwise you stand a good chance.
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