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Old February 13th, 2012, 04:27 PM
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Re: The Book of Deadshot: Design Phase

I have no problem with Outlaw and not adding him to the Assassins faction, but I definitely do not want to muddle up this simple design by adding a second class. I was pretty much against adding a second class to Solovar and think that should be done VERY rarely. If someone has an issue with Deadshot not being an assassin, they can design him again as an assassin and I would not vote against it.

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Re: The Book of Deadshot: Design Phase

That's true, on the hitman note - an assassin generally is generally "one who murders a politically important person either for hire or from fanatical motives." Of course, Bullseye and Elektra are also closer to hitmen than assassins, so that's really more of an error in general C3G terminology than anything else...

But yeah. He's an Outlaw and an Assassin and a Criminal and a Sniper and a Mercenary and all sorts of other things. We should pick the one that's mechanically best and I think Outlaw is the obvious route there.
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Re: The Book of Deadshot: Design Phase

I agree with the "no double classes" here.

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Re: The Book of Deadshot: Design Phase

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But yeah. He's an Outlaw and an Assassin and a Criminal and a Sniper and a Mercenary and all sorts of other things. We should pick the one that's mechanically best and I think Outlaw is the obvious route there.
Kinda funny you suggesting the mechanically best on here, but in Solovar's thread you insisted on making his class King even though it was a totally useless class and mechanically Telepath is the best class there. But I totally agree with your statement here. Often there are multiple classes a character can have, but we have to choose the one that gives the synergies that we want.

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But yeah. He's an Outlaw and an Assassin and a Criminal and a Sniper and a Mercenary and all sorts of other things. We should pick the one that's mechanically best and I think Outlaw is the obvious route there.
Kinda funny you suggesting the mechanically best on here, but in Solovar's thread you insisted on making his class King even though it was a totally useless class and mechanically Telepath is the best class there. But I totally agree with your statement here. Often there are multiple classes a character can have, but we have to choose the one that gives the synergies that we want.
True, but Solovar is a King above all else. Telepath is a minor, secondary function. It's like calling Batman a Criminal - even if it was mechanically sound (it isn't but for point of contention) and technically accurate - is simply wrong. It's not wrong to call Deadshot an Outlaw; it's not perfect, but makes for a generally accurate statement.

Like, calling Solovar a Ruler would have been fine, even though he's really a King. But a Telepath at the expense of Kingliness? Nay, good sir. Nay.
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Re: The Book of Deadshot: Design Phase

So nothing in here about his wanting to die in glorious fashion?

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I had something originally. Do you have a suggestion?

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Re: The Book of Deadshot: Design Phase

On the class: It is clear that Deadshot is more of an Assassin than an Outlaw. [period] Just be honest about it. He is clearly an Assassin above all else. A3n is right about that. However, he is also an Outlaw, and I don't mind picking a lesser class for the sake of faction synergy with the Secret Six. I like Outlaw just fine for that reason.
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So nothing in here about his wanting to die in glorious fashion?
I had something originally. Do you have a suggestion?
Sir G tends to have genius light touches on his write-ups that subtly influence the way they are played to really nail down theme, so I'd love to see what (if anything) he has in mind.

Problem is, a guy who tends to snipe from a distance doesn't really mesh well with engages and subsequently exposes himself to death.

About the only thing I can think of, (especially loving the 2-power simplicity of the current write-up) would be to give Finish The Job a 'Lumbering Bully' type feel:

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But honestly it's a little unclear how exactly Deadshot is taking the wounds from a melee figure.

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Re: The Book of Deadshot: Design Phase

Finishing the job takes priority over any deathwish so that wouldn't fit.

But if Sir G has something in mind, I'd love to take a look at it....

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Re: The Book of Deadshot: Design Phase

I like the card as is but if you really want some kind of death wish power, maybe do something similar to what Superman has for rushing to someones aid. Like if Deadshot starts his turn within 3 hexes of an opponent and could end his move adjacent to that figure, then he must do so. That would give him a needlessly putting himself in danger/death wish vibe.
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I like the card as is but if you really want some kind of death wish power, maybe do something similar to what Superman has for rushing to someones aid. Like if Deadshot starts his turn within 3 hexes of an opponent and could end his move adjacent to that figure, then he must do so. That would give him a needlessly putting himself in danger/death wish vibe.
But that certainly isn't what Deadshot does at all, he sets up his shot and takes it. Personally I don't think he would care if his teammate were being attacked.

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