OEAO's Legacy Power Rankings

[vegietarian18]

I agree with Marro Warriors up to A+: they are very good and definitely the most undercosted unit in the game

I do not agree with Blade Gruts at A- but it is the Orc rankings

MBS is the best bonding hero in the game and should obviously be A. Good call

[OEAO]

Originally Posted by vegietarian18

I agree with Marro Warriors up to A+: they are very good and definitely the most undercosted unit in the game

I do not agree with Blade Gruts at A- but it is the Orc rankings

MBS is the best bonding hero in the game and should obviously be A. Good call

MBS is the best for his price; Grimnak is better overall. Chomp with the aura is amazing.

Blades are a weak A- FWIW. 3x Blades with Grimnak is actually super efficient though for 240 points, a bargain. Their 6 move is underrated, allowing them to be one of the best tethers in the game, and Grimnak is Grimnak. Noting this, they struggle against Q9, but can handle just about anything else. 5 attacks per turn is good.

[Lazy Orang]

Originally Posted by OrcElfArmyOne

MBS is the best for his price; Grimnak is better overall. Chomp with the aura is amazing.

Blades are a weak A- FWIW. 3x Blades with Grimnak is actually super efficient though for 240 points, a bargain. Their 6 move is underrated, allowing them to be one of the best tethers in the game, and Grimnak is Grimnak. Noting this, they struggle against Q9, but can handle just about anything else. 5 attacks per turn is good.

I'm going to raise your Grimnak and give you a Charos! Seriously, though, I still don't think Charos+Greenscales has been beaten at my house...

[vegietarian18]

Charos is definitely underplayed with Greenscales but B+ is probably right. He protects his Greenscales instead of his Greenscales protecting him, which is cool and different. But it's kind of a one dimensional army because he's melee too

[OEAO]

Originally Posted by Lazy Orang

I'm going to raise your Grimnak and give you a Charos! Seriously, though, I still don't think Charos+Greenscales has been beaten at my house...

Wasn't thinking about Greenscales! Nilf is the best bonding hero in that case.

Charos/Greens is alright. It's worth noting that that's another matchup where dropping to Blades from Heavies is devastating. Heavies, Knights, and Romans have a fairly easy time dealing with that army, but Blades get wrecked. Heavies/Knights/Romans vs Charos/Greens is probably 65/35, but Blades vs Charos/Greens is probably 20/80, even with whatever else you're getting with the saved points.

[Lazy Orang]

I remember once playing a RtW 'reinforcements' tourney with my army (some of your army was left in reserve as reinforcements, can't recall the exact rules). When I played my army of Charos, Greenscales and 10th Foot, I didn't even need my Redcoat reinforcements - Charos and the Greenscales (which is a pop group, as my Mum would say...) wrecked everything.

[Matthias Maccabeus]

So what will it take to get my chainfighters to an A+?

I mean one attack per turn is basically unstoppable. I don’t understand all these noobs playing squads and getting multiple attacks per turn....rookies.

[OEAO]

Originally Posted by Matthias Maccabeus

So what will it take to get my chainfighters to an A+?

I mean one attack per turn is basically unstoppable. I don’t understand all these noobs playing squads and getting multiple attacks per turn....rookies.

I bumped them to B, what more do you want from me? Why don't you try winning an event for once? You're more washed up than DragonRuler.

[Matthias Maccabeus]

Originally Posted by OrcElfArmyOne

I bumped them to B, what more do you want from me? Why don't you try winning an event for once? You're more washed up than DragonRuler.

4 time, that’s right 4 time dragon dice WORLD champion....
Not sure you can win more than that.

[OEAO]

Originally Posted by Matthias Maccabeus

4 time, that’s right 4 time dragon dice WORLD champion....
Not sure you can win more than that.

Well, give me six years after you teach me this summer and you'll see a 5 time dragon dice world champion in the flesh (I might have an off-year).

[Dysole]

I'll just comment on the movers. Let's start debates.

Originally Posted by OrcElfArmyOne

S
Raelin the Kyrie Warrior-ROTV (80, A+) eh I guess since she makes everything better, but I don't think she's game warping enough for a separate tier

A+
Marcu Esenwein (20, A-) Pretty much the go to option if you have 20 points left but at the same time "curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal". I don't think wannok does enough for a letter grade upgrade
Marro Warriors (50, A) Easily one of the best units in the game and in non timed games, can beat many units they shouldn't on stats alone. I would rather give them to an opponent than Q but after that, no way. Do have some bad matchups. Not quite sure they're an A+ but I'll buy it

A
10th Regiment of Foot (75*, A-)4th are still better. :P
Me-Burq-Sa (50, A-) Was legitimately surprised was not an A unit
Nerak the Glacian Swog Rider (50, A-)Orc Raelin is boss
Nilfheim (185, A-) See MBS

A-
Blade Gruts (40*, B) Eh... I think they're more B+ since they have to work a lot harder to crack a sturdy defense.
Eltahale (140, B+)See MBS and Nilf
Mezzodemon Warmongers (65*, B+) Even a single special attack can wreck them, but they are brutal if you don't have one
Ogre Pulverizer (100+, B+) I don't think the Chasers do enough for bonding option 3
Roman Legionnaires (50*, B+)See the marro, dragon, and Goliath

B+
Arrow Gruts (40*, B) Have not played with them enough but always seem to come highly recommended
Ashigaru Harquebus (60*, B-) One of my faves. Make your own 4th. Add Raelin. Wait. Then fire.
Atlaga (90, A-)
Concan the Kyrie Warrior (80, B) I probably wouldn't bring either Kyrie to an event but I'd probably bring Atlaga before Concan because range and 7 move Raelin.
Eldgrim the Viking Champion (30, A-) This guy is an amazing early glyph grabber. Should be put back where he was.
Fire Elemental (35*, A-) Mostly because we can't all be dok and have 18 of them right? 4/4 with auto wound? I don't follow this one.
Frost Giant of Morh (140+, C+) Not a C+, but I think just a B instead of a B+. 140 is a lot of points.
MacDirk Warriors (80*, C+)2 defense is brutal and I think that keeps them in B/B- territory
Marro Dividers (50*, A-) Still love running these against zombies. Will induce frustration. A little surprised they weren't already here.
Minions of Utgar (110*, A-) I never like facing minions because they can be devastating. Conversely, they can annoyingly whiff on two dice a lot.
Nakita Agents (120, B) They're good tech, but I thought they were fine at B
Raelin the Kyrie Warrior-SOTM (120, B) I dunno. Unless I'm doing bring 2 swarm Rae tends to be hard for me to justify.
Sentinels of Jandar (110*, A-) I actually think they're worse than minions because more powers bypass defense.
Sgt. Drake Alexander-SOTM (170, A-) You are a dude. This is a man. Nuff said.
Sonya Esenwein (45, A-) Huh. Yeah point totals do tend to make her less of an auto include.
Swog Rider (25*, B)
Tarn Viking Warriors (50, C+) Why do I keep getting surprised by units not where I thought they were already?
Warriors of Ashra (50*, B) Range vulnerability but again already thought they were here


B
Capuan Gladiators (70*, B+) I always worry about how few of these guys I have to play. This feels right.
Crixus (90, B+) I feel like he's a very cheap very hard to kill beat stick. Definitely take him over several heroes you have ahead
Drow Chainfighter (25*, B-) Agreed. Unit responsible for the most disappointing 8 of my life.
Fyorlag Spiders (40*, C+) I don't see it with no Quahon available
Kozuke Samurai (100, B-) Did not realize how fun this unit was until last Gencon. Agreed.
Laglor (110, A) 7 range, SA, makes krav better, what am I missing?
Ornak (100, B-) So many units in places I thought they were
Othkurik the Black Dragon (140, B+) Yeah, nice tech but nothing special
Otonashi (10, C+) Really hard to compare to Isamu. Like a lot more for RtW
Sgt. Drake Alexander-ROTV (110, B+) Brutal against some armies but I agree with this
Sir Denrick (100, B-) Eh feels fairly mediocre to me.
Sir Hawthorne (90, B+) Dude is cheap and has a special attack. Feel like this is better than Denrick
Sonlen (160, B-)
Spartacus (200, B+)
Thorgrim the Viking Champion (80, B-)
Tornak (100, C+) Screw it. Clearly my life and the rankings are a lie.
Valguard (110, C+) Personally, I feel like this is one of the most underrated units
Warforged Soldiers (80*, B+) They have always performed well for me and can be brutal in some matchups
Wyvern (100+, B-) I don't see it. Bond with an okay squad and their positioning power is okay and they don't have high survivability.

B-
James Murphy (75, B)
 I guess although he's better than shotgun
Shurrak (160, B)
Siege (120, B) I love the fire giant and enjoy the warforged but yeah
Wolves of Badru (80*, C+) 3 defense and points make it hard for me to agree

C+
Mind Flayer Mastermind (100+, C) Agree. Still mad at the fire isles game I got no enslaves.


C
Templar Cavalry (120*, C-) They're really vulnerable to range. I don't see it.
Warden 816 (90, C-) I guess. I actually feel he's at least C+

C-
Sudema (140, C) NOOOO my favorite unit. I do agree though (also she's not deleted from the C's)

D
Roman Archers (55*, C-) I actually think Roman archers and Raelin is better than you give it credit for. They're not good against squads but 6 range attack of 6 will end heroes. Biggest weakness is the engagement clause.

~Dysole, who didn't check to see if she'd change anyone you didn't move

[Cleon]

I was actually going to share my own rankings pretty soon haha, you beat me to it, i think it's a good idea to share personal rankings. . I'll post them soon, im almost done ranking and tinkering everything.

One thing that perplexes me about yours is Laglor. What's the reasoning for him so low? I think he's damn good, I put him at an A (maybe A- if the map pool really sucks for him).

I like how you bump MW to A+ I agree