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Re: The Book of Hawkwoman (Shayera Hol) (Public Playtest)

I wouldn't think something revealed and removed gets replaced by an unrevealed one. There are other powers that remove an OM without revealing it. Seems like a mechanical difference that was done on purpose. Her replace a marker power is pretty good and useful as is, don't really need to try and rope more powers and characters in.
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It's worth putting together a list of who all would be included. Getting more thematic options is always nice.
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Re: The Book of Hawkwoman (Shayera Hol) (Public Playtest)

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I wouldn't think something revealed and removed gets replaced by an unrevealed one. There are other powers that remove an OM without revealing it. Seems like a mechanical difference that was done on purpose. Her replace a marker power is pretty good and useful as is, don't really need to try and rope more powers and characters in.
I kind of doubt THIS was that purpose. I think it's more that they didn't want to give away the "secret orders" with some of them.

I'm not convinced it's something we've distinguished between with consistent intentionality in our own designs.

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Re: The Book of Hawkwoman (Shayera Hol) (Public Playtest)

It's going to take forever to look through the Index for this one. So far I know Anarky's Stun Baton is countered either way.

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Re: The Book of Hawkwoman (Shayera Hol) (Public Playtest)

So did a quick Index search for "reveal and remove" and it included Red Robin, Deathbird, N'Astirh, Ozymandias, Karnilla, and the temporal Defense guys. It also included guys like the Bad Cops and Blockbuster, who remove enemy OMs so Hawkgirlwoman would be able to counter them.
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Re: The Book of Hawkwoman (Shayera Hol) (Public Playtest)

Works either way:

Atom (Al Pratt)
Cecil Steadman
Cosmo
Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
Doctor Manhattan
Leonardo (this could really boost Turtle Power!)
Loki
Mad Thinker
Master Mold
Miss Martian
Mongul
N'Astirh
Phantom Stranger
Raven
Saturn Girl
Silver Surfer
Solomon Kane
Wolfsbane

Only works if revealed become unrevealed:

Booster Gold
Deathbird
Enchantress (I)
Kang (I)
Ozymandias
Red Robin
Rip Hunter

So much smaller second list for sure.

Right now Leonardo, Phantom Stranger, and Silver Surfer/Atom seem like the strongest uses.

Edit: Karnilla didn't come up in my search for some reason.

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Re: The Book of Hawkwoman (Shayera Hol) (Public Playtest)

Reveal and Remove:

Bad Cops - Shakedown
Black Mask (II) - Torturous Interrogation
Blockbuster - Blackmail
Booster Gold - Temporal Defense
Deathbird - Berserker Frenzy
Flash (John) - Temporal Defense
Iron Man 2020 - Temporal Defense
Kang I - Temporal Defense
Karnilla - You Will Be Mine...
N'Astirh - Demonic Conqueror
Ozymandias - Smartest Man in the World
Red Robin - Attack Plan
Rip Hunter - Temporal Defense
Rorschach - Shakedown
Slam Bradly - Shakedown
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Re: The Book of Hawkwoman (Shayera Hol) (Public Playtest)

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Leonardo (this could really boost Turtle Power!)
Not sure that would be a boost, as you have to remove an OM on each Turtle you're taking a turn with. You'd have to sacrifice one of those for Hawkgirl to try to get it back. So at most you're getting one extra turn I think?
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Re: The Book of Hawkwoman (Shayera Hol) (Public Playtest)

Yeah, pretty much the best you could do with it is OM1 on Leo for turns with two Turtles, OM2 on Hawkgirl to replace an OM, then OM3 on Leo for turns with two Turtles. Still a solid upgrade, but probably not gamebreaking, and she has synergies she likes more.

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Re: The Book of Hawkwoman (Shayera Hol) (Public Playtest)

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Yeah, pretty much the best you could do with it is OM1 on Leo for turns with two Turtles, OM2 on Hawkgirl to replace an OM, then OM3 on Leo for turns with two Turtles. Still a solid upgrade, but probably not gamebreaking, and she has synergies she likes more.
That doesn't sound very good to me. You're getting 5 turns in a round with a weird army. Fan 4 or X-Men are both easier to trigger and offer more efficiency.
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Reveal and Remove:

Bad Cops - Shakedown
Black Mask (II) - Torturous Interrogation
Blockbuster - Blackmail
Booster Gold - Temporal Defense
Deathbird - Berserker Frenzy
Flash (John) - Temporal Defense
Iron Man 2020 - Temporal Defense
Kang I - Temporal Defense
Karnilla - You Will Be Mine...
N'Astirh - Demonic Conqueror
Ozymandias - Smartest Man in the World
Red Robin - Attack Plan
Rip Hunter - Temporal Defense
Rorschach - Shakedown
Slam Bradly - Shakedown
For most of those, other than Temporal Defense, Attack Plan, Berserker Frenzy, and Smartest Man in the World (which doesn't let you use the power again, just covers the cost of using it), you're really just counting Order Markers lost to the opponent, so they're highly match up dependent.

Nothing on that list feels "essential." Booster is the closet one to "desirable," but you get Kang and Rip (who at least works with the League at times) in the same net.

Ultimately I'm fine either way so long as the language is clear. If we went with markers being replaced as they were, I'd prefer you only be able to replace one that was unrevealed when it was removed, as replacing a revealed Order Marker seems mechanically a bit wonky to me.

I do worry there's a bit of an obnoxious memory mechanic in having to recall the status of the Order Marker you removed after you removed it.

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Yeah, pretty much the best you could do with it is OM1 on Leo for turns with two Turtles, OM2 on Hawkgirl to replace an OM, then OM3 on Leo for turns with two Turtles. Still a solid upgrade, but probably not gamebreaking, and she has synergies she likes more.
That doesn't sound very good to me. You're getting 5 turns in a round with a weird army. Fan 4 or X-Men are both easier to trigger and offer more efficiency.
Like I said, Hawkgirl has synergies she likes more. I just think the Turtles really like it. That said, they're really not that great.

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