With Dund

[Thorgrim]

I have dund, and have yet to play him. This week, I plan to use him in a group game, and i was wondering what you think of the army I'm bringing.

Dund-110
Stingers X4-240
Q10- 150

total-500

sound functional?

[Aldin]

Sounds functional to me.

~Aldin, who thinks that army would be fun to play with

[roostertail9000]

Sounds like a pretty cool army combo. I think I'll try that sometime.

[Superm9]

I just recently played with a similar army, and owned my opponent:

Dund
Major Q10
Krav-Maga Agents
Izumi Samuri
Raelin (RotV)

So yes, Dund is a very fun unit to use - just expect him to intimidate your opponent more often than actually remove your opponent's order markers!

[Thorgrim]

I wanted to use him either for clean up, or for order marker efficient armies, a menacer.
Most of the people I play against have rather inefficient OM armies, so likely he will just be for clean up. Stingers and Q10 for everything else.

[myrealnameisjon]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

I have dund, and have yet to play him.

Dund-110
Stingers X4-240
Q10- 150

total-500

sound functional?

Yes, that sounds quite functional, but then again, Q10 + Stingers is functional even if you burn the 110 points. It doesn't sound like a particularly themed build around Dund that will knock anyone's socks off.

If you want to get some street cred for making an army around Dund, let's think about what he does well.

*He's a major intimidator. One of my favorite sayings from when I played chess frequently was that the threat of an attack was usually worse than the attack itself. That's certainly the case with Dund. Keep an order marker on him, keep your opponent guessing, make your opponent spread the order markers around.

*In order to be effective, you need to be able to move him. For this reason Agent Skahen at 120 points (if you have her) simply can't be beat. You've got to be able to get Dund out of harm's way (he's got a huge red target on himself) and get him where he can actually stare down the opponent (even if it's just a threat).

*You want to keep Dund alive, and at 5 defense, that won't be a major challenge, but it'll take some skill. Most importantly, you want some peons to engage the enemy and some range to take them out. Krav Agents gel really well with Dund, (no surprise there's at least one competitive build already in this thread that uses them) and so would Nakitas. Raelin at 80 is a valuable asset, but not absolutely necessary.

*Finally, I'd say you want to keep your army tight, so that the 5 range of the special and 6 move (or 4 under Skahen's cover fire) is more useful.

I guess I'm suggesting the following as a thought:
Dund - 110
Skahen - 120
Krav - 100
2x Rats - 80
Raelin - 80
Otonashi - 10

Is it competitive? Maybe. Probably not a tournament winner, but if you play it well, highlighting Dund's strengths, you might just surprise a few people and turn some heads.

I'm still not sold on the 2x Rats + Raelin, maybe there's a better use of 160 points to be had (some strong melee squads might be nice, for example), but this is completely off the top of my head, and I'm just trying to get everyone's creative juices flowing.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by myrealnameisjon

Yes, that sounds quite functional, but then again, Q10 + Stingers is functional even if you burn the 110 points. It doesn't sound like a particularly themed build around Dund that will knock anyone's socks off.

If you want to get some street cred for making an army around Dund, let's think about what he does well.

*He's a major intimidator. One of my favorite sayings from when I played chess frequently was that the threat of an attack was usually worse than the attack itself. That's certainly the case with Dund. Keep an order marker on him, keep your opponent guessing, make your opponent spread the order markers around.

*In order to be effective, you need to be able to move him. For this reason Agent Skahen at 120 points (if you have her) simply can't be beat. You've got to be able to get Dund out of harm's way (he's got a huge red target on himself) and get him where he can actually stare down the opponent (even if it's just a threat).

*You want to keep Dund alive, and at 5 defense, that won't be a major challenge, but it'll take some skill. Most importantly, you want some peons to engage the enemy and some range to take them out. Krav Agents gel really well with Dund, (no surprise there's at least one competitive build already in this thread that uses them). Raelin at 80 is a valuable asset, but not necessary.

*Finally, I'd say you want to keep your army tight, so that the 5 range of the special and 6 move (or 4 under Skahen's cover fire) is more useful.

I guess I'm suggesting the following as a thought:
Dund - 110
Skahen - 120
Krav - 100
2x Rats - 80
Raelin - 80
Otonashi - 10

Is it competitive? Maybe. Probably not a tournament winner, but if you play it well, highlighting Dund's strengths, you might just surprise a few people and turn some heads.

I'm still not sold on the 2x Rats + Raelin, maybe there's a better use of 160 points to be had (some strong melee squads might be nice, for example), but this is completely off the top of my head, and I'm just trying to get everyone's creative juices flowing.

If only I had Skahen, or any Deathreavers.

Nice avatar by the way. Home Star Runner rox!

[myrealnameisjon]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

If only I had Skahen, or any Deathreavers.

Ha ha, yeah, the best laid plans of rats and agents... to be fair, I don't have them either; I just like to dream. If forced to make some army like this with my units, I'd probably put Nakitas in for Skahen, drop the Kravs and Rats, and put in 2x Gorillanators. Not a powerful or convincing army, but at least I have all those!

Nice avatar by the way. Home Star Runner rox!

Thanks! Myrealnameisjeff and I have been working on making custom units out of those figurines. Keep your eyes open (and not looking into Dund's!), maybe we'll post our ideas soon.

[kolakoski]

Well met!

I'm reviving this thread, as I intend to work Dund into a real Lost World that I and my assistant, Chas, are building this Saturday, and I seek advice. I envision a jungle escarpment split by an icy gorge. There will be some sort of glyph teleportation for nonflying figures. There will be 750 - 1,000 points. We may go pre-gunpowder (a favored theme, one I'd recommend for tournament). Chas has terrain galore. Any Dund war stories out there?

David

[Clarissimus]

Here's my Dünd war story.

[Junge Roman]

-and it's still hilarious! Great work.

I think it's awesome when anyone even works Dund into an army. At 530 or 540, he really can be thrown in almost as filler at the end. He WILL come into his own.

[kolakoski]

And at 750 - 1000, how could he not?