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Re: Special Event: Bring the VCheese #2 CONGRATS BOROMIR96
Congratulations Boromir. I will only have to go a couple of miles to drop off the trophy!
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Re: Special Event: Bring the VCheese #2 CONGRATS BOROMIR96
Got the win in a tight game against HS2010. Kudos to Kirk for bringing a much more imaginative build than I did and almost winning it all! Halfway through the game I thought I had no shot and was also having internet issues which probably led to me playing sloppier than I should have.
Kirk opened with MW while I slow rolled Knights to the top of the screen. I was terrified of what his MW could do with Ulnivia so I made it a priority to take it away even if I had to sacrifice a couple knights to keep it away. I got a lucky 5 symbol dispatch to allow me to snag it first. He was able to pick off a few knights and I brought Raelin up on my OM 3. He was able to kill the knight on the glyph on his OM 3 and get the init switch to put a fast 3 wounds on Raelin. I fought back and took out a couple MW and he retreated and cloned. I pushed a couple knights out of Raelin aura to bring him down to 1 MW. He brought his Raelin up to bottom of the map and I rushed Gilbert and 3/4 knights over to try to take her out quickly. Unfortunately for me he had some sort of hybrid/mutant Raelin that rolled shields like you’ve never seen. Even with boosted attacks from Gilbert it would take me almost 2 rounds to take her down. In the meantime Mimring was burning things and a worrying amount of Arrow Grut attacks were getting through. Running out of knights I pushed Gilbert into his SZ to try to tie down and wound Mimring but his attacks did nothing for several turns. By the time his Raelin and my Gilbert were dead, I had no wounds on Mimring and maybe 7 knights left. One Knight I pushed into his SZ and was able to get 2 wounds on the Dragon before falling. With 4-5 Knights left I was able to kill a few AGs and put a Knight on Ulnivia, and then switched all my OMs onto MW. MWs in Raelin aura started chewing through AGs, and then after an aggressive Mimring placement they took out the dragon as well. At this point I hadn’t lost a MW yet, and HS still had 9ish AGs. HS was able to sneak a couple in to take down Raelin, and then a couple MWs shortly thereafter. With 2 MWs left against 3 AGs I decided to keep attacking rather than try to clone. He took out another MW and I got him down to 1 AG, on his OM 3 his last grut whiffed his 1die, and my MW hopped on Wannok for the win. I won with 1 MW and 3 knights left. GG! Definitely wasn’t super happy with how I played it, but maybe it’s just because the early risks I took didn’t work out at all. At one point Kirk was rolling well over 50% shields, he ended the game right at 50% while I was under 30%. I’m excited to watch @BiggaBullfrog break it down and show me what I could have done better. Quote:
I played this build because of the recent discussion from the COV threads where it was being debated whether or not Raelin actually made Knight builds worse. There were definitely times where I felt like her aura was restrictive, but in other matchups like Blast/Glads her and the MW were huge. MW and Raelin OP? I think both finals armies in both cheese events have had both. |
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Re: Special Event: Bring the VCheese #2 CONGRATS BOROMIR96
GG Boromir! A really good game! Hopefully everyone sees the AGs and Mimring as yet another potent Dragon build moving forward. I’ll write more about why I picked this build later but for now I’ll say I’m happy to take 2nd place in a close game.
Statistically I’ll note quickly that your defense stats are skewed by rolling Dispatch. Regardless my 50% was the only thing that kept my bad Raelin in the game for so long. |
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Re: Special Event: Bring the VCheese #2 CONGRATS BOROMIR96
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Re: Special Event: Bring the VCheese #2 CONGRATS BOROMIR96
When I last played knights I used to use a separate login to roll dispatch so I could still see my stats.
Congrats Boromir! I didn't get a chance to watch the finals but I thought you played extremely well in the other games. I personally think Raelin works reasonably well with knights, although an extra squad of knights is often better. However if you have a ranged component to your army, as you did here, then Raelin supports that really well, which can justify her use. Quote:
--- Of course a shout-out to heroscaper2010 for his build is probably in order. As I said on the discord I think there's a real hidden insight to that build. It's basically ignoring the whole orthodoxy of Arrow Gruts where you use swogs and build a base and try to turn them into a strong ranged squad that stays still. Instead it's saying, essentially "oh, Quahon is good with 2/2 spiders? Well I can get 2 attack a lot with arrow gruts, and they're easier to keep in Raelin's aura. Let me just play Mimring and Arrow Gruts and treat the AGs like ranged spiders." And you know... that kinda works. I think it would have worked even better at a lower point total. --- It's a mistake to read too much about the meta into one event result, of course. For sure we had some pretty crazy results along the way in this event. The bracket predictors got shellacked quite hard. But one thing we can definitely say is that even at the very top, Heroscape is far from a solved meta, and has plenty of diversity. I'm excited to see how things evolve the next time we run one of these. Thanks to everyone who participated; it was fun both to be a part and to spectate. |
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Swogs are awful, if anyone wants my honest opinion, and this event was my way of finally testing whether the AG Dragon build could be competitive. With Swogs, even Raelin backed, 5 defense whiffs a lot leaving them susceptible to range (I took advantage of this against vegie during OnlineCon with MRTs). 1-life doesn't help obviously. IMO they would be better served as Uncommons with 3-life but that road is long gone unfortunately. Nevertheless hard to successfully setup on most maps. |
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(I also think Hydra is at the bottom of the A+’s, but that’s a topic for another day ) Sorry to sidetrack...congrats borimir, and HS2010 for 2nd |
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Hydras didn't have a great showing in this event. The Hydra did extremely well for me against mtl1998's buccaneers, but was more or less dead weight in my loss to the 4th Mass. The Hydra is really really strong, but it has a decent number of mediocre matchups. That alone keeps it out of A+, IMO. |
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Re: Special Event: Bring the VCheese #2 CONGRATS BOROMIR96
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That being said, the Hydra rolled me and my buccs after defending one turn of attacks. Ggs Last edited by dok; January 6th, 2021 at 11:43 PM. |
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For classic scape though I do think it’s teetering right between A and A+ (like Marcu imo), and I tend to give it the A+. I think especially nowadays with how much melee is being played, the hydra is even more likeable. Other than 4th and 10th and Stingers, I don’t really mind it into anything else. And that’s why it pairs so well with phantom knights, they take care of the WTF’s. My take on it is yes, it can take early wounds and not be nearly as strong, but it’s only 120pt. and can kill a ridiculous amount of points, I think that risk/reward is too good. The points aren’t a detrimental investment if it get hit early (you can also play multiple ). And it’s still good with 2 wounds on it, just not as crazy. Even decent with 3 wounds in the endgame, Reach is nasty. But truthfully I’d have it in its own tier with Marcu between the A’s and A+’s if I could so I’m fine with A, I just think it’s towards the top if it’s in there. Edit: Stingers are good against it and not bad into PK’s, but who the hell plays Stingers outside of the Knights/Chainfighter matchup? |
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Re: Special Event: Bring the VCheese #2 CONGRATS BOROMIR96
Great question. I'm slowly getting into your head!!
Dragon Dice - (the 2nd best game there is) Learn to Play! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h3q6...wujcr8vVf8e21G |
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