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Old October 15th, 2019, 02:28 PM
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Re: [Pod 1] UNIT NAME (Ob Nixilis, Demon of Spite) - Design

I'm good with Demon's Frailty Curse 2 or Soul Decay Spirit (assuming the chance is pretty low).



I have an issue with Misfortune Aura as it requires people to remember if it was done or not. How are we accounting for that? Counters usually indicate but this is a per turn thing. I really dislike mechanics like this that rely heavily on the players to figure out a system. I feel we need to change it so it does not rely on remembering if it been used or develop a solution for the players to use. All your pie mentions one way to do this.
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Old October 15th, 2019, 03:03 PM
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Re: [Pod 1] UNIT NAME (Ob Nixilis, Demon of Spite) - Design

Once per turn abilities are not unusual, and do not normally have markers. Heck, even once-per-round powers like Overextend Attack don't even have markers.
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Old October 15th, 2019, 05:00 PM
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Re: [Pod 1] UNIT NAME (Ob Nixilis, Demon of Spite) - Design

Not sure I agree that it's not unusual. I am struggling to find any once per turn that operate similar to this power., especially given it happens on someone else's turn. and can happen frequently in a 3+ player game I do agree that Overextend Attack works very similarly (round) but I don't see that as changing anything. It was a bad design IMO.


We've talked many times about keeping things simple but we're kind of complicating a power when we can probably figure out how to not need an indicator or provide one.
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Re: [Pod 1] UNIT NAME (Ob Nixilis, Demon of Spite) - Design

It is once per the attacker's turn (just noticed this power as worded would work in multi-player games, both team and even free-for all where one opponent is attacking another). In official heroscape, I can't think of a power of the top of my head, but in C3V it is more common such as Emperor Andask for which this is a different version of:
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When a figure you control within 4 clear sight spaces of Emperor Andask attacks an adjacent figure with a normal attack, before defense dice are rolled, you may re-roll all attack dice that did not show skulls. Orb of Vengeance Aura does not affect Emperor Andask. Orb of Vengeance Aura may only be used once per turn.
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Re: [Pod 1] UNIT NAME (Ob Nixilis, Demon of Spite) - Design

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Not sure I agree that it's not unusual. I am struggling to find any once per turn that operate similar to this power., especially given it happens on someone else's turn.
Brute Grut's Berserker Frenzy
Varkaanan Darkclaw's Dual Strike
Kira Jax's Exploit Weakness
Cormin the Dark's Facade (during someone else's turn)
M-43 Resistance Fighters' Guerrilla Tactics
The Varja's Living Storm
Emperor Andask's Orb of Vengeance Aura
Elaria the Pale's Slippery (during someone else's turn)
Warforged Soldiers' Tactical Switch
Kon-Tar-Na's Taste of Blood

There are also a bunch of attack powers and special attacks that can only affect a figure once per turn. Some simple, like Nilfheim's Ice Shards Breath Special Attack, some more complicated like Sharwin Wildborn's Arcane Bolt Special Attack.
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Re: [Pod 1] UNIT NAME (Ob Nixilis, Demon of Spite) - Design

I think if we want him to be simple a -1 defense aura and -2 defense spirit seems the best option.
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Re: [Pod 1] UNIT NAME (Ob Nixilis, Demon of Spite) - Design

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I think if we want him to be simple a -1 defense aura and -2 defense spirit seems the best option.
I do like the solid simplicity of that. And remember our target market, newer players who can pick up a new "master set."
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Re: [Pod 1] UNIT NAME (Ob Nixilis, Demon of Spite) - Design

Cool.
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Re: [Pod 1] UNIT NAME (Ob Nixilis, Demon of Spite) - Design

Only thing is want the aura to be different than Gothlok's AURA OF DESPAIR
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All figures within 4 clear sight spaces of Gothlok roll 1 less defense die. Figures that follow Valkrill are not affected by Aura of Despair.
even if you changed the general, it might be very similar. I like the reroll Misfortune Aura better just for being different.
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Re: [Pod 1] UNIT NAME (Ob Nixilis, Demon of Spite) - Design

I like the reroll aura better too.
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Re: [Pod 1] UNIT NAME (Ob Nixilis, Demon of Spite) - Design

I tend to prefer the reroll aura as well. It isn't much more complicated than defense reduction, and I'd prefer to avoid trampling on Gothlok's signature power. It could be argued, though, that "aura that makes enemy defense worse" is kind of doing that anyway no matter what spin we throw on it.
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Re: [Pod 1] UNIT NAME (Ob Nixilis, Demon of Spite) - Design

Aura:
@All Your Pie (Pod Leader): reroll
@Scytale (Pod Leader): -1 defense
@Fakeraistlin - ?
@lefton4ya - reroll
@Jaur0n - ?
@The Long eared bat : -1 defense
@Pumpkin_King (honorary member): reroll

@Fakeraistlin & @Jaur0n - what say you?
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