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Old December 18th, 2018, 12:27 PM
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Re: The Book of Zhen Yuan

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4. The player cannot first make a normal attack, then decide whether he was using Eagle Claw or Whirlwind Assault based on the result.
So this brings up a new question. Let's forget that Eagle Claw exists for the moment...

Are you saying that when any figure uses Whirlwind Assault, it has to declare in advance exactly which targets it will be choosing?
No.

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Would it make sense to say that you have to decide whether you are or are not using EC before you make the first attack, and then if you chose not to use EC, then after that first attack you decide whether you are or are not using WA?
Yes, that's what Scytale just said.

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And regardless of the answer, where would I find a ruling I can refer to?
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Re: The Book of Zhen Yuan

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Ronin is right about the wording. We added the "choose a figure" phrase to force the decision between Whirlwind and Eagle Claw to come before the first attack.

Here's how it works in an example turn:
  • Move.
  • Decide to use Eagle Claw on a figure. ("Before attacking with Zhen Yuan, you may choose an opponent's figure to attack with Eagle Claw.")
  • Attack that figure. (Note that Eagle Claw does not say "Roll 3 attack dice against the chosen figure" or anything similar. The normal attack is implied at this stage.)
  • Attack that figure again, if your normal attack met the qualifications. ("If the chosen figure receives one or more wounds from Zhen Yuan but is not destroyed, Zhen Yuan may attack the chosen figure one additional time. For the second attack, the chosen figure subtracts 1 from its defense dice for each wound received on the first attack. You may not use Whirlwind Assault if you chose a figure for Eagle Claw this turn.")
This should be pretty self explanitory. Note if you do not "Decide to use Eagle Claw on a figure." then you can use Whirlwind Assault on anyone you choose in any order. The condition is just on having to choose which whether you are going to do eagle claw or not before attacking. I wish there was a few extra/difffernt words in the power:
"Before attacking with Zhen Yuan, you may choose an opponent's figure to attack with use Eagle Claw on. After attacking, if the chosen figure receives one or more wounds...
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Old December 19th, 2018, 12:31 PM
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Re: The Book of Zhen Yuan

Like the others have said, there is no requirement for Whirlwind Assault to decide to use it before making the first normal attack. You can make one attack, then decide if you wish to keep attacking.

Eagle Claw is different. You have to decide if you want to use it before you make your first normal attack. If you choose to, you cannot use Whirlwind Assault that turn, even if you forgo the second attack of Eagle Claw.
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Re: The Book of Zhen Yuan

I never really saw much of an issue with this design, but it seems like it would've been simpler to make Eagle Claw a Special Attack. Is there any reason that this was avoided?

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I never really saw much of an issue with this design, but it seems like it would've been simpler to make Eagle Claw a Special Attack. Is there any reason that this was avoided?
Sworn Enemy interaction, I'm guessing.

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I never really saw much of an issue with this design, but it seems like it would've been simpler to make Eagle Claw a Special Attack. Is there any reason that this was avoided?
Sworn Enemy interaction, I'm guessing.
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Re: The Book of Zhen Yuan

Ah, I see. It would've been clunky to rewrite the same clause into a Special Attack variant of Eagle Claw, so that makes sense. Thanks for elaborating.

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