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Old April 7th, 2015, 11:21 AM
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Re: The Book of Mera (Initial Playtesting)

Good catch, it is redundant. I have updated the SP to this wording.

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If you control Aquaman on the battlefield, add one to the Defense of Mera and all Atlanteans you control within 6 clear sight spaces of Mera. If Aquaman is in your army and he is destroyed, add one to the Attack of Mera and all Atlanteans you control within 6 clear sight spaces of Mera.
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Re: The Book of Mera (Initial Playtesting)

FYI, here's my research on other cards that use "control" and "on the battlefield" together:
Beast Boy — BEAST FORMS: ... You can only control one Gar Logan figure on the battlefield at a time. If another Gar Logan figure you control would be destroyed, instead place two Wound Markers on this card and immediately replace the Gar Logan figure you control on the battlefield with another ...

Beast Boy — BEAST TRANSFORMATION: ... switch any Gar Logan figure you control on the battlefield with one other Gar Logan figure in your army ...

Brainiac 5 — 12TH LEVEL INTELLECT STRATEGIES: ... if there is at least one other Legionnaire you control on the battlefield ...

Bruce Banner — PUNY HUMAN: ... if you control an unengaged Bruce Banner figure on the battlefield that has at least one wound, switch it ...

Odin — ODIN FORCE: All Unique Asgardian Heroes you control add 1 to their Life numbers while you control Odin on the battlefield.
FWIW, some of the Green Constructs kinda do this (they actually refer to constructs you control that are not on the battlefield), but they are written inconsistently. Some say "you control" while others say "in your army," and since I didn't know whether those are equivalent or there is some kind of hair-splitting gameplay difference, I left them off the list.


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Re: The Book of Mera (Initial Playtesting)

"you control" means you're controlling it and it's on the battlefield. That should definitely be cleaned up.

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Re: The Book of Mera (Initial Playtesting)

In your army means figures you drafted at the beginning of the game, while you control can be figures that you take control of.

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Re: The Book of Mera (Initial Playtesting)

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"you control" means you're controlling it and it's on the battlefield. That should definitely be cleaned up.
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In your army means figures you drafted at the beginning of the game, while you control can be figures that you take control of.
When I get some time I'd like to do the research and compile a list of figures to look at for possible inconsistent use of the terms. However, I've never really known all of the edge case details enough to write complete definitions (such as, you take temporary control of a figure and are supposed to give it back, but before giving it back it gets destroyed; is it now "in the army" of its former controller, or the player who controlled it when it died?).

Here's a first draft; see if I've got everything right or not.
  • You control — You are currently the player who is able to move/attack/etc. with the figure when appropriate, and the figure is on the battlefield.

  • In your army — You drafted the figure and no other player has temporary or permanent control of the figure. Or, someone else drafted the figure but you have taken temporary or permanent control of it. Destroyed figures are still "in the army" of the player who would be controlling them if they were not destroyed.

  • Destroyed — The figure had been on the battlefield but has left the battlefield due to wound accumulation or outright destruction. Typically the destroyed figure will be entombed upon its army card, but it could be placed somewhere else by a special power on a card such as Ghost Rider or one of the Viking heroes.

  • Not on the battlefield/not in play — This can include destroyed figures; figures that are still conceptually alive but were removed from the battlefield by a special power on a card such as Mok or Marro Gnids; and figures that are hot-swappable with other versions of the same personality such as Hulk and Bruce Banner.
Anything here that doesn't sound right? Anything missing?


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Re: The Book of Mera (Initial Playtesting)

Yeah, I'll admit, it is redundant - I used that wording when I made this suggestion in an attempt to make it 100% clear, and also beacause I'd forgotten what the best wording would be at that time.


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Re: The Book of Mera (Initial Playtesting)

I never thought of destroyed figures as still being In Your Army, otherwise wouldn't some passive powers continue to work after death? I think of figures that are not currently on the battlefield, but are not destroyed nor do they have another figure on the battlefield representing them (ie. Hulk/Bruce Banner), and can return to the battlefield at a later point in the game as still In Your Army. Nick Fury, Moon Knight, Shadow Thief, Airborne Elite, are all able to continue to use their powers because they are still In Your Army even if they are not on the battlefield. I thought that once a figure is destroyed or removed from the game by another means (Brainiac shrinks and collects them) though, it is no longer In Your Army and thus you can no longer use their powers unless a specific exception to this rule is included in the power, like Rejected From Death and some marker related powers that continue on after the figure that placed the marker is gone.
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Re: The Book of Mera (Initial Playtesting)

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I never thought of destroyed figures as still being In Your Army, otherwise wouldn't some passive powers continue to work after death? I think of figures that are not currently on the battlefield, but are not destroyed nor do they have another figure on the battlefield representing them (ie. Hulk/Bruce Banner), and can return to the battlefield at a later point in the game as still In Your Army. Nick Fury, Moon Knight, Shadow Thief, Airborne Elite, are all able to continue to use their powers because they are still In Your Army even if they are not on the battlefield. I thought that once a figure is destroyed or removed from the game by another means (Brainiac shrinks and collects them) though, it is no longer In Your Army and thus you can no longer use their powers unless a specific exception to this rule is included in the power, like Rejected From Death and some marker related powers that continue on after the figure that placed the marker is gone.
'In your Army' includes destroyed figures, even in C3G (see Star-Lord's book for example).


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Re: The Book of Mera (Initial Playtesting)

Brainiac's book of thread says that shrunk figures are still "in your army" but you basically can't do much with them other than try to get them back with some other power. I think one of the infinity gems can be used to bypass Brainiac. Maybe the space gem.

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Re: The Book of Mera (Initial Playtesting)

As we are getting closer to releasing the anniversary wave, it's time to start thinking about this initial again. Anny suggested builds to watch for @dok @Soundwarp SG-1 @Dysole @weebaer ?
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Re: The Book of Mera (Initial Playtesting)

Yeah this one isn't exactly a big secret here. Tempest and/or Hydroman are basically a requirement, plus one of the Aquamen more often then not, then either add in some other water using guys or some general purpose support guys. Robot would probably be a good pick to help move everyone into the pool. That's pretty much it.

Though Tempest and Aqualad are the same guy @Dysole .


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