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Re: Sports: NFL

The Seahawks lost that Superbowl when they came onto the field to the sounds of "Bittersweet Symphony."

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Old January 20th, 2014, 11:04 AM
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Re: Sports: NFL

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I'm not sure if that's a dig on the officiating,
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Old January 20th, 2014, 12:47 PM
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Re: Sports: NFL

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In the annals of professional football, there was only one game I remember in which a series of blown calls seemed to take the game out of the players' hands:
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Super Bowl XL. The victims? The Seattle Seahawks.
It seems odd to me to single out that game. Yes, the Seahawks were the victims of a number of calls that seemed wrong to me, and yes, reversing those calls would have had a very good chance of reversing the outcome of the game.

That said:
  1. If the Seahawks had played a bunch better that game, they would have still won despite those calls. So the game was still "in their hands" in some sense. Heck, even the 1972 Men's Basketball Gold Medal game was in the hands of the players if they had just scored more points earlier in the game.
  2. More games than I care to count also fit this description - yes, the players could have decided the game the opposite way despite a questionable call, but nevertheless the call was crucial given the performance of the players. Just one obvious example would be the Monday Night Seahawk win over Green Bay that ended the replacement ref era.
It's not really possible to divide things neatly into "games decided by calls" and "games that were in the hands of the players". Many games fit quite comfortably into both categories.

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Amazing also to think you have to be good and lucky to win the big one.
That is the absolute truth. Ravens don't convert 4th and 29 in SD, or Atlanta shuts the door in the NFCCG, or any one of 1,000,000 things and it could have been different. That's the truth every year I can remember.
I spent a few minutes looking back trying to find the last Super Bowl champion who

a) made the playoffs by at least two games, and
b) salted away every one of their playoff games by the fourth quarter

... it's not a particularly easy search. The closest in the last decade was the 2004 Patriots, but the Super Bowl against the Eagles was tied at the start of the fourth quarter. The 2000 Ravens had a tight game with the Titans in the divisional round. The 1998 Broncos are technically the first team to meet the criteria, but they needed a third quarter comeback against the Jets in the conference championship.

You really need to go back to the early/mid 90s, and the dominant Redskins/Cowboys/49ers/Packers teams, to find teams that won without ever really having to sweat one out. Say what you will about the NFL, but the league structure has created parity.
Thus far, the closest the Broncos have come to having their season end is facing a third down with a 7 point lead with 3 minutes left. It's the "cleanest" run since the '04 Pats so far, and if they can keep the Seahawks at bay in the Super Bowl it will be the cleanest run since the 1990s.
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Old January 20th, 2014, 02:00 PM
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Re: Sports: NFL

I agree completely, there's no easy line to draw. I considered the GB/SEA game, and many others, but I chose not to include games where one bad call made at or near the game's end is the only one. One bad call during a game is just not enough, IMHO, for a game to reach that rarefied air.

Heaven knows the fans of every team can tick off a list of games in which the zebras screwed them with a bad call near the end. I know a few that Ravens fans would count, and I know a few that Ravens *opponents* would count, and virtually every single one of those calls is wildly subjective in the eyes of the amateur fans, and at worst moderately subjective in the eyes of a professional referee.

So, yeah, I picked that one for two reasons: One, it was a real pattern of bad calls during a single game, and two, it was just funny to think back on how the worm turns in the fan custom of grumbling about officiating.

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I'm not sure if that's a dig on the officiating,
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I was polite, I congratulated the Seahawks and for that I get your doubt and scorn? I'm hurt DS, deeply hurt

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No, not really. I was responding more to the direct zebra-blaming I've seen elsewhere, and I was using your post to raise the topic. I meant what I wrote literally ("I'm not sure..."), not to bait an argument. Glad you didn't rise to the bait I didn't mean to throw in the water.

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Old January 20th, 2014, 04:15 PM
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Re: Sports: NFL

Add me to the list of people jumping on the Broncos wagon for the super bowl.

I'm not ready for the Hawks to win one. Something about them (ahem...Sherman) bugs me.

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Re: Sports: NFL

I find the Kapernik 'Beats' commercial with the song chorus 'I'm the man' playing, hilarious right about now.

Good news for us Pats fans, the Red Sox equipment truck leaves for Florida very soon.

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The Celtics are definitely back sitting as the red headed step child in Boston right now considering all 3 of the other big franchises were in the mix for the Championship in 2013 (Bruins lose Cup, Sox win Series, Pats knock on the door to the SB).

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Re: Sports: NFL

As a Pats fan, I'm saddened that we won't be making the Super Bowl, but at the same time I'm proud of what we accomplished this season. We went to the AFC Championship game despite so much preseason turmoil and an avalanche of critical injuries, (and I think the Patriots had the worst laundry list of injuries this year other than maybe the Packers when Rodgers went down. Over 20% of the salary cap on injured reserve BEFORE Talib went down.)

Maybe if we can stay half-way healthy next year we'll be an even bigger beast to contend with.

As it is, I'm rooting for Seattle. I've been rooting for them in the NFC all year long and they were my preseason pick to win the Super Bowl. Plus, they've never won it all before, so it would be good for their fans.

For those people who criticize Sherman, yeah it was kinda out of line, but it was also kind of awesome. That was an absolutely brutal rivalry game and the guy just made the big play that stamped their ticket to the Super Bowl. It doesn't look like Crabtree was exactly innocent in all of this and Sherman allegedly tried to tell him good game and got pushed in the facemask by Crabtree, and if that's true I can understand why Sherman wasn't sunshine and rainbows. Add that to the fact that there's a lot of bad blood between Sherman and Harbaugh and you can see why the adrenaline took over immediately after the game ended. Overall I think Sherman is probably a decent guy, as his teammates attest to, and he apparently does a lot of charity to help his community.

In any case, even if we were to accept that Sherman was a complete douche nozzle, to condemn the entire the Seahawks franchise because of his antics is going a bit far. I'm sure that the Broncos have someone just as hot headed, but they didn't have the chance to have a microphone stuffed in their face after one of the most emotional moments of their lives following a heated rivalry game. Sherman doesn't condemn players like Russell Wilson, who appears to be a true class act.

Oh, and even Erin Andrews said that the interview was awesome. It was surely more entertaining than "Ya know, it was a really good game, we had to go out there and execute and make plays, and ultimately we made those plays that kept them from scoring, so it was a good game overall but we've just gotta stay focused for one last win."

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Re: Sports: NFL

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Oh, and even Erin Andrews said that the interview was awesome. It was surely more entertaining than "Ya know, it was a really good game, we had to go out there and execute and make plays, and ultimately we made those plays that kept them from scoring, so it was a good game overall but we've just gotta stay focused for one last win."
I think I hate that canned response more than any other in sports. Sometimes I wonder what's the point of those post game interviews since it's rinse and repeat 99.9% of the time. Then Mr Sherman stepped in and became that 0.01%. I didn't have a vested interest in the game so it didn't bother me as much as it might have were I a 9er fan (not that it makes it any less a classless antic).

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Re: Sports: NFL

I'll be rooting for the Seahawks because I really like Russell Wilson and Marshawn Lynch, plus that franchise has never gotten a Super Bowl. Most importantly, however, I'm an NFC guy who likes running games and strong defenses, and I would love to see the strong defensive team knock off the strong offensive juggernaut.
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Re: Sports: NFL

I honestly don't know who the cheer for in the superbowl. On one hand, I never cheer for Manning, not that I don't like him, just my Patriot-ism would never let me. But I also detest Sherman so much that he actually forces me to dislike his whole team.
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Re: Sports: NFL

I've got no problem with more fans on the bus, but... something to think about. I don't think this is a universally true characterization of his critics, but it would be a lie to say there's no racial component.

(For my part, the interview was more absurd and funny than anything else. I didn't like his actions after the game, but the choke sign and general lack of respect given to fellow professionals who had just suffered a crushing loss bothered me a lot more than yelling into the camera.)
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Re: Sports: NFL

I think there's some truth to that. He did act like a complete goof, and there is a legion of misguided but well-intended people needlessly rushing to his defense. But on this narrow issue, he's not completely wrong, IMHO.

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