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Old June 30th, 2019, 09:48 PM
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Re: Ronin's Public Workshopping Thread

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He could never enter the Speed Force on his own, it's like his fatal flaw. He should not have Speed Force, but rather Superspeed, IMO.
He couldn't enter the Speed Force on his own, but he was notably way more in-tune with the Speed Force than all the other non-Wally speedsters, and his abilities were a cut above theirs.

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And Wally 100% beat him. Only one of them is still standing. Wally raced him to the precipice of the Speed Force (back then Wally could lend speed) but only one of them was strong enough to fight his way back.
Savitar wanted to join the Speed Force, though. It wasn't a clean win for Wally; Wally gave Savitar what he wanted because there wasn't another way to keep him from going after Linda.
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Old July 1st, 2019, 01:26 PM
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Re: Ronin's Public Workshopping Thread

He wanted to until he was there, then it was too much and he wanted out. But Wally left him there. As far as other Speedsters, I agree that it's Wally, then Barry, then everyone else. Even Savitar is slower than both of them. One is the living Speed Force, the other it's greatest user.

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Old July 1st, 2019, 01:32 PM
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Re: Ronin's Public Workshopping Thread

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He wanted to until he was there, then it was too much and he wanted out. But Wally left him there. As far as other Speedsters, I agree that it's Wally, then Barry, then everyone else. Even Savitar is slower than both of them. One is the living Speed Force, the other it's greatest user.
We find out that Savitar wanted out in Rebirth, I think, when he pops back out, but I don't think we see that in the original story where he goes in. We only get the briefest glimpse of him getting to join the Speed Force.

I haven't really read a lot of the post-Rebirth Barry stuff, so I don't have that context for Barry, but my impression of Barry (pre-death) is that he was considerably slower than where Wally is circa the Savitar fight, so he'd be slower than Savitar as well. Pretty sure Barry gets his powers upgraded with Rebirth, but I haven't read it in a while.
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Old July 1st, 2019, 01:37 PM
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Re: Ronin's Danger Room Workshopping Thread

Well, two things on that:

1. The bonding doesn't necessarily need to be movement focused
2. Keeping the bonus movement timed in sync with Black Widow makes them an appealing pair, IMO, because they can infiltrate together more easily.

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IMO, I quite like the idea of mixing Espionage-style movement and attack based bonding.


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Old July 8th, 2019, 08:28 PM
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Re: Ronin's Public Workshopping Thread

Sorry, but your impression of Barry is wrong. Before Barry's Death, he was 100% officially the fastest speedster. After his death, Wally struggled to live up to his mantle and his own self-doubt kept him from passing Barry. Eventually, when fighting Eobard Thawne Zoom, he realized this and embarrassed that though he might be faster than Barry, Barry would never be forgotten. He was then significantly faster than Zoom who had only been ever so slightly slower than Barry, which was combated by his lack of mercy and viciousness. Suddenly, Wally was much faster and basically took Zoom down with relative ease. He officially accepted his place as the fastest man alive. Fast Forward to Flash: Rebirth (by Johns, not the company-wide event) and Barry returned, faster than before with him tagged to be the new Black Flash. Long story short, he dicovered that when he had his accident, he created the Speed Force and it existed in him. This is when Thawne created his negative Speed Force to counter act. At this point, DC was resolved to have them both normally be the same top speed, but that each, when digging deep and exerting themselves could exceed that in different ways. Barry could outrun the mantle of the Black Flash and shut off speed from others, while Wally could run into and out of the Speed Force at will, as well as lend speed to others.

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Old July 8th, 2019, 08:50 PM
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Re: Ronin's Public Workshopping Thread

I think we have some crossed wires, because that reads to me like an agreement with what I said more than a disagreement. Barry's the fastest, he dies, Wally eventually surpasses him, Barry comes back and is portrayed as being closer to Wally's level. Sounds right to me.
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Re: Ronin's Public Workshopping Thread

Up until the last part. When he returns, they basically say, "No, Wally isn't the fastest, he's really the same speed as Barry."

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Re: Ronin's Public Workshopping Thread

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The figure used for this unit is a ??? figure from the ??? set.
Its model number and name are #??? / ???.

NAME = SYM-SOLDIER
SECRET IDENTITY =

SPECIES = SYMBIOTE
UNIQUENESS = UNCOMMON HERO
CLASS = SOLDIER
PERSONALITY = UNSTABLE

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 6

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 2
ATTACK = 5
DEFENSE = 3

POINTS = ???


SYMBIOTE HIVEMIND AGGRESSION
After taking a turn with this Sym-Soldier, if you revealed an Order Marker on a Sym-Soldier's card at the start of your turn, roll the 20-sided die. Add 1 to your roll for each wound this Sym-Soldier inflicted on non-Symbiote figures this turn. If you roll:
-12 or higher, you may take temporary control of any Sym-Soldier that has not been activated this player turn. Take an immediate turn with the chosen Sym-Soldier. If you also roll:
-18 or higher, at the end of that Sym-Soldier's turn, your player turn ends and you must choose an opponent. That opponent may take control of any Sym-Soldier in your army.

AGILE CLIMBING
This Sym-Soldier can move through all figures and is never attacked when leaving an engagement. When moving normally up levels of height to move onto a space with this Sym-Soldier, do not count a space for the first level. You may ignore this Sym-Soldier's height of 5 when climbing. This Sym-Soldier never takes falling damage or major falling damage.

MACHINE GUN SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 5. Attack 3.
If this Sym-Soldier's Machine Gun Special Attack inflicts a wound, he may attack again with his Machine Gun Special Attack. This Sym-Soldier may continue attacking with his Machine Gun Special Attack until he does not inflict a wound. He may not attack the same figure more than once.

SUPER STRENGTH

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Bio - During the Vietnam War, SHIELD discovered a primordial symbiote that had been frozen in the Arctic. Under Nick Fury's leadership, they attempted to use the symbiote to create super-soldiers. It seemed to work at first, but the soldiers proved unstable, turning on allied troops as easily as enemies while under the symbiotes' influence. SHIELD had to call in a specialist, James Howlett, to help them put down the rogue soldiers.
I've been playing around with a few different versions of the Hivemind power here... basic intent in the current version is that they can chain a bunch of turns together, Wrecking Crew style, but if you get too aggro they can start flipping. And the hivemind aspect (the taking control part) is designed to keep them more loyal to each other than to any particular player.... so them turning on you might not be insurmountable, but just losing one could be a problem if your opponent strings a few turns together through the hivemind.

Would it actually work in practice? No idea. Probably needs a lot of refinement.
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Re: Ronin's Public Workshopping Thread

Hivemind is really cool! Machine Gun is pretty useless in practice imo, not sure if that's the plan.
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It's a reuse.
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Never heard of him.
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