Need some help

clancampbell · #1 May 18th, 2008, 07:12 PM

I'm trying to come up with a 500pt army to play at an upcoming event. Or, rather I've built a few and am trying to decide which to play. So, I thought I'd post two of my ideas here and see what yall thought. Due to some of the restrictions of the event, I'm limited to what I can feild, so I'd appreciate feedback that does not include suggestions on changing the makeup of the armies. Just your thoughts on the armies themselves.
Thanks

Army 1
Raelin -ROTV
Runa
Kelda
Minions of utgar
Sentinels of jandar

Army 2
Carr
Deadeye Dan
Isumi
Krav agents
Nakita agents
Microcorp agent

Thanks again

Ty the Awasome · #2 May 18th, 2008, 07:21 PM

Neither of those armies are very good. They both have way too many OMs. Apart from that, Runa? I will guarantee you Runa is never going to win a tournament. I get that you don't really want to change the armies around, but if you want to be competitive at all, you're going to have to.

clancampbell · #3 May 18th, 2008, 07:27 PM

Forgive me. I don't get the OM reference. Whats that?

donaldb · #4 May 18th, 2008, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by clancampbell

Forgive me. I don't get the OM reference. Whats that?

he is talking about the amount of cards in your armies. Most people don't like having a lot of cards because it makes the correct use of order markers (OMs) confusing. If I had to go with one of these armies, I would choose the agents one. The other just doesn't seem to work well. And Ty, Killercactus won a tournament not too long ago with runa in his army.

clancampbell · #5 May 18th, 2008, 07:43 PM

Oh got it thanks. Well I find it hard to come up with a 500pt list and not have a lot of cards. The agents list has 6 while the other is 5. As an aside, I playtested these armies against each other, Runa used her helm to destroy Carr. Rare, I know but it was one of those HOLY CRAP moments.

Aldin · #6 May 18th, 2008, 07:47 PM

Army #2 is much, much stronger. Even with the high defenses, Army #1 suffers from an inability to take the inevitable attrition from the ranged units it just isn't fast enough to knock into melee range. Oddly, with the Nakitas engagement strike, Army #1 would have a hard time even approaching Army #2. KMA, NA and MCA are all tough to get rid of and have solid ranged strikes. Carr and the Izumi are wonderful skirmishers in front of them. DED can earn his keep if your opponent is running with something like Sentinals or Minions.

~Aldin, decidedly

rdhight · #7 May 18th, 2008, 07:51 PM

I would say that both armies are weak, but that Army 2 is much less weak.

Also, here is something I wrote a while back on the subject of having too many order markers.

rym · #8 May 18th, 2008, 08:07 PM

Personally, I like army #2. And I may be in the minority here, but I don't necessarily think 5 or 6 cards are too many for proper order marker placement. As long as you've playtested your army, and know how to move it and work it to it's most effectiveness, then go with it. Some people build hodgepodge armies and are quite successful with them.

Like I said, as long as you know how to work the synergy, or lack thereof, as the case may be, of your army with the proper OM placement, you should do fine.

Ty the Awasome · #9 May 18th, 2008, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by donaldb

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Originally Posted by clancampbell

Forgive me. I don't get the OM reference. Whats that?

he is talking about the amount of cards in your armies. Most people don't like having a lot of cards because it makes the correct use of order markers (OMs) confusing. If I had to go with one of these armies, I would choose the agents one. The other just doesn't seem to work well. And Ty, Killercactus won a tournament not too long ago with runa in his army.

Yes, but I meant that Runa will never be the figure that actually wins the tournament for you.

Gomolka · #10 May 18th, 2008, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ty the Awasome

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Originally Posted by donaldb

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Originally Posted by clancampbell

Forgive me. I don't get the OM reference. Whats that?

he is talking about the amount of cards in your armies. Most people don't like having a lot of cards because it makes the correct use of order markers (OMs) confusing. If I had to go with one of these armies, I would choose the agents one. The other just doesn't seem to work well. And Ty, Killercactus won a tournament not too long ago with runa in his army.

Yes, but I meant that Runa will never be the figure that actually wins the tournament for you.

I agree with Ty the Awasome. killercactus even said in his battle report that he never really used Runa, and never had Runa destroy an opponent's unit when he won with the army.

donaldb · #11 May 18th, 2008, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ty the Awasome

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Originally Posted by donaldb

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Originally Posted by clancampbell

Forgive me. I don't get the OM reference. Whats that?

he is talking about the amount of cards in your armies. Most people don't like having a lot of cards because it makes the correct use of order markers (OMs) confusing. If I had to go with one of these armies, I would choose the agents one. The other just doesn't seem to work well. And Ty, Killercactus won a tournament not too long ago with runa in his army.

Yes, but I meant that Runa will never be the figure that actually wins the tournament for you.

Sadly, this is true. Runa has never lived up to anywhere near her potential for me, except for when I am getting extremely lucky.

pti8 · #12 May 18th, 2008, 10:32 PM

Not taking anything away from KillerCactus here but wasn't there only like 5 people that showed up to the tournament? In his report I think he even said that it didn't count since there was only 5 people.