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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Playtesting

Thanks, he's not done yet though.
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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Playtesting

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Black Tom Cassidy
Version Tested
Spoiler Alert!


Army Test 1
Map:
Units:
Army 1 (me) 1,000pts: Black Tom Cassidy 160pts, Juggernaut 340pts, Songbird 180pts, Luke Cage 190pts, Firestar 120pts, Skrull Infiltrator 10pts.
Army 2 (toy) 1,000pts: OG Fantastic Four.

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Army Test 2
Map:
Units:
Army 1 (me) 1,100pts: Black Tom Cassidy 160pts, Juggernaut 340pts, Doctor Octopus (Six) 250pts, Wizard 140pts, Firefly 120pts, Clock King 90pts.
Army 2 (toy) 1,100pts: Professor X 220pts, Jean Grey 180pts, Cyclops 190pts, Iceman 150pts, Angel 90pts, Wolverine (Avengers) 270pts.

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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY:
Partners In Crime is the draw, but didn’t see a whole lot of use before one or both of them got taken out, still it’s a strong enough early game start and I feel he got some bad matchups against wounders like Torch and Jean Grey.
Rough And Tumble didn’t see any use because of the powers of those mentioned above and he just wasn’t in the way of any special attacks. I’d like to see it come into play at some point.
Thermokinetic Blast did some damage the second game and would’ve done more if not for bloody Charles! The first game FF were just too packed on Defense.
5 Life, 4 Defense is a nice spot for him, there were two points where having 5 instead of 4 life saved him so I definitely wouldn’t lower it.


GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: I like the class crossover options he opens up, and whether it be Criminal, Outcast, Pirate, Horseman, or whatever none of it feels out of place. I think he played for points the second game and got hammered the first. Overall he’s probably at cost or just over it, in which case we could bump him in some minor way. I’d like to see more tests and see if anyone can cause any more mayhem with this guy.

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TOYHANDLE’S THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT:
Tom Cassidy Is one of those fun designs that makes brand new teams possible. Hard to think of all the possibilities he opens up. We tested Juggernaut with the Thunderbolts and as a member of Sinister Six. I’m sure there’s some crazy Outcast/Criminal combinations you can use with Black Tom and Magneto (II).
Game 1, he didn’t have any trees/bush to boost his special attack, and the FF didn’t have any special attacks to use on him. He charged out pretty early with Juggernaut and stood a little too close to Juggy, allowing Torch a couple double flame-ons, which ended him and Juggernaut pretty early.
Game 2, he again charged out early, and went down fast. Although I would have liked to see him play, he really put my team in a bad spot, and I couldn’t risk having him around. He was giving the Sinister Six a whole extra turn per round, and there were trees/bush everywhere for him to stand next to, and my closely bunched up mutants were basically always surrounding a tree/bush that could be targeted for his special. He would have done well against the variety of special attacks the Mutants have, but luckily Jean/Wolverine took him down fast.

His stats aren’t too crazy, and costing will probably come down to figuring out if there’s some insane draft that makes his class change way more valuable than 160. Feels pretty where he’s at so far.

edit: Tom's special targeted a tree, and affected Jean, Wolverine, Angel, and put all of them + Xavier at risk of a falling tree. This made me X out the attack, even though it was only 2 or 3 skulls. Didn't want to risk all those wounds, and didn't want Juggernaut to take a turn. This allowed Juggernaut to take a turn on Ock's OM reveal, and go right for a vulnerable Xavier, which is probably where I lost the game. Might have been better off just defending against the special.

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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Playtesting

Quick note after last night.
Looking good so far, I'm thinking it'd be good to see him run with the Outcasts and maybe a game pulling Blob into some Criminal pools for anyone thinking of testing next.
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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Playtesting

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM
NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: BLACK TOM
VERSION TESTED
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Army Test
Map: City Park
Units: Black Tom (160), Blob (165), Grim Reaper (260), Doctor Octopus (215) (800) vs Captain America (240), Winter Soldier (Team Up) (240), Mockingbird (130), Falcon (MCU) (190) (800)
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Army Test
Map: City Park
Units: Black Tom (160), Magneto (II) (375), Duploids (100), Jubilee (60), Destiny (55), Wizard (140), Oracle (110) (1000) vs Original X-Men (1000)
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UNIT SUMMARY: Seems he’s probably better in Criminal builds than Outcast builds, since he has no D20 and Criminals have better turn bonding. His cost feels good as is.

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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Playtesting

Cool, thanks Bats!
I guess there's no major need for any changes, so we're clear for the last PT.
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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Playtesting

Here we go. Two tough losses, but he looked pretty fine in the other PTs. I think he's at 5-4 in games across all PTs.

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C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT : BLACK TOM CASSIDY


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Army Test
Map : SONG OF THE WALRUS (No Glyphs)
Units :
Black Tom Cassidy (160), Demona (270), Multiplex (140), Duploids (100), Final Ruin (10)
= 700


VS.

Cyclops *II* (240), Havok (190), Beast (170), Dazzler (100)
= 700


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Army Test
Map : ISLAND PLANE CRASH (No Glyphs)
Units :
Black Tom Cassidy (160), Magneto II (375), Lex Luthor III (185), Deathstroke I (280)
= 1000


VS.

Wonder Woman *JL* (310), Hawkwoman (260), Green Arrow *JL* (210), Black Canary *JL* (220)
= 1000


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General Thoughts on the Tested Unit : Not the hottest performances for Tom. In a vaccuum I’d say his price could come down by like, 20 points. However, I think both teams didn’t really let Tom shine (wasn’t much grouping for an AoE special attack, didn’t defend any special attacks) so thats on me. Even with an optimal setup, he doesn’t seem like he’d be too scary though. Making a Mutant a Criminal is definitely his biggest strength.

Looking at the other PTs, seems like everyone else thought he felt fine. So my games were probably outliers. Fine with him at 160.
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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Playtesting

Awesome! Thanks Fresh!
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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Playtesting

Well that's the last test, I'll encourage any further thoughts from anyone, otherwise..
I propose we move to Final Editing at 160 points.
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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - VOTE for Final Editing

Not sure if taking a turn with Black Tom before the chosen Hero cuts off the chosen Hero's turn.

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PARTNERS IN CRIME
At the start of the game, you may choose a Unique Hero in your army that shares a class with Black Tom Cassidy. For the rest of the game, both Black Tom Cassidy and the chosen Hero have the class of Criminal in addition to what is listed on their cards. After revealing an Order Marker on the chosen Hero, before taking a turn with that Hero, you may take a turn with Black Tom Cassidy. If you do, you may not take any additional turns with other figures you control other than the chosen Hero.
I believe you should be able to remove the 4 here and it would read the same.

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THERMOKINETIC BLAST SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 5. Attack 4.
Choose a figure to attack. If Black Tom Cassidy is adjacent to an Evergreen Tree or Jungle Piece, all figures adjacent to the chosen figure are also affected by this special attack. Roll 4 attack dice once for all affected figures.
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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - VOTE for Final Editing

Thanks Jekyll, I cut the extraneous 4. Will wait for more input on the no additional turns confusion.
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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - VOTE for Final Editing

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Thanks Jekyll, I cut the extraneous 4. Will wait for more input on the no additional turns confusion.
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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - VOTE for Final Editing

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