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Old November 2nd, 2014, 11:39 AM
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Re: The Book of Jackal(Public Playtesting)

Here are Midgie's results. A bit of a spoiler problem on the second test. I have tried fixing it, but can't seem to fix it. It's more annoying than hindersome though.
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I enjoy playing with Jackal, but, the best way to use Jackal is to not play with him. If that makes sense. The best games I have had with him were the ones that I hid him in a corner and hope my wall of figures does not get broken through. The game I played with Jackal, I had Green Goblin. He was a man on fire killing everything in sight, and when He did die, Jackal made Him a clone and brought Green right back. It mite not make sense to not put O.M. on a fig, but this guy is the exception, the safer Jackal is the Better He is in my eyes.

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Jackal

- THEME TEST/ Check to see if there are any powers or stats on the test unit card that does not accurately reflect the theme or likeness of what the character would and could do. Also consider destructible objects, and whether or not this characters powers should affect them.
Pass

- MIRROR TEST/ Check to see if the unit were played against itself, if there would be any loops that would upset the balance of the Game.
Pass

- BONDING TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing Bonding abilities to make sure there are no continual Bonding possibilities that do not stop appropriately or do not stop at all. This is to prevent loops in Bonding.
Pass

- SYNERGIES TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing synergies to make sure there are no factors that could break the game by making any unit to powerful or too weak.
Pass

- POWER CHECK/ Consider the test unit and all existing units and all glyphs to compare to and check for any powers that could be over amplified and break the game. Each power must define when it takes place, who or what it affects, and What are the stipulations on the power if there are any.
Pass

- FUN TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play.
Pass

- FUN COMPETITIVE TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play against.
Pass

- DRAFTING TEST/ Consider whether or not this design is worth drafting.
Pass

- USAGE TEST/ Consider whether or not all of the powers on this card were used or at least usable.
Pass

- STRATEGY TEST/ Consider whether or not the design offers any real strategy or interesting tactics to the overall game.
Pass
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Army Test

- Does it pass
, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? ~265
- Give a brief overview. Jackal and Kane Parker brain washes some of Spider-Man's allies to attack the wall crawler. Spider-Man asks Tony Stark and The Heroes For Hire for help.
Map: Under the El
Units: Jackal, Scarlet Spider(Kaine Parker), Mister Fantastic, Invisible Woman and Ant-Man(Hank Pym).( (995) vs Spider-Man(Peter Parker), Iron Man MIV, Luke Cage and Spoiler.(1000)
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Army Test
- Does it pass
, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? ~260
- Give a brief overview. Jackal successfully completes the Clone Formula, He feels with the Birth of Ben Reilly and has made 4 vile's of the Clone Formula and offers them to the highest bidder. The group that shows up all have their own agenda. Green Goblin, Black Knight, Hydra Agents, and a crazy Hank Pym as Yellowjacket. S.H.I.E.L.D. instantly gets wind of this, Nick Fury gets his group of agents with Him, to stop the deal from going down. the Agents show up just before the drop goes down. The group of people trying to obtain the Clone Formula fight on the side of Jackal.
Map: Under the El
Units: Jackal, Green Goblin, Scarlet Spider(Ben Reilly), Yellow Jacket, (Big Hank Pym), Hydra Agents, and Black Knight(1100) vs Nick Fury, Black Widow, Sharon Carter, Hawkeye, Commander Rodgers, S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents, and Dum Dum Dugan.(1080)
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Old November 2nd, 2014, 11:47 AM
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Re: The Book of Jackal(Public Playtesting)

Well, I just fixed it. It was weird. I just did the same exact thing but while editing the post rather than before posting it and it worked here but not before.
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Old November 2nd, 2014, 07:34 PM
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Re: The Book of Jackal(Public Playtesting)

Here are some more results, a slight error in test with him cloning Blink, but it didn't seem to have a huge impact on the outcome of the match.
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C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Jackal (Miles Warren)

- THEME TEST/ Check to see if there are any powers or stats on the test unit card that does not accurately reflect the theme or likeness of what the character would and could do. Also consider destructible objects, and whether or not this characters powers should affect them.
The cloning changes the game in a very fun way and works for Jackalís vibe. The drug tipped claws seem almost unnecessary, I like the idea but Jackal seems more useful hiding at the back resurrecting your fallen mutates than being up front destroying Oms. Partial-Pass

- MIRROR TEST/ Check to see if the unit were played against itself, if there would be any loops that would upset the balance of the Game.
Potential problem if you clone an opponentís Jackal. Would you then get to bring back 2 clones that round? I really like the idea of trying to kill your opponentís figures to claim them as your own. Adds an interesting twist to a mind switch power.

- BONDING TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing Bonding abilities to make sure there are no continual Bonding possibilities that do not stop appropriately or do not stop at all. This is to prevent loops in Bonding.
I cannot think of any but my knowledge of who links up with whom is lacking. Pass

- SYNERGIES TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing synergies to make sure there are no factors that could break the game by making any unit to powerful or too weak.
Pass.

- POWER CHECK/ Consider the test unit and all existing units and all glyphs to compare to and check for any powers that could be over amplified and break the game. Each power must define when it takes place, who or what it affects, and What are the stipulations on the power if there are any.
Cloning seems to go in these steps. Before order markers roll for clone, succeed/fail, place clone adjacent (with whatever species and class it died with), Place 2 wounds if it is a clone, You now permanently have that card in your army and it never returns to the original player (meaning other powers reviving friendly figure would no longer work for your opponent even if the clone dies.), now you change the species and class allowing it to be affected by Cellular Degeneration. Something I did was aim for character that have healing so the auto wound becomes less damaging. Pass

- FUN TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play.
It was interesting and fun, I just had horrible rolls. Pass

- FUN COMPETITIVE TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play against.
Pass.

- DRAFTING TEST/ Consider whether or not this design is worth drafting.
Pass. Especially if you have a powerful high life mutate that you would want to keep around.

- USAGE TEST/ Consider whether or not all of the powers on this card were used or at least usable.
Pass. They were all useable although Drug Tipped Claws never saw usage

- STRATEGY TEST/ Consider whether or not the design offers any real strategy or interesting tactics to the overall game.
Definite Pass. Jackal is a major threat when someone like Wonder Man could be brought back to attack your opponent.

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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes

- What should be the unit's point value? 220-250
- Give a brief overview. Jackalís team got killed very early by lucky rolls but Jackal was the only reason his team even stood a chance. As Angel used Guardian Angel to move Jackal away from combat, it seemed bleak with both having 1 life with Red Ghost and all the super apes left. Jackal cloned Sandman who heals once a turn so you only have to worry about the Cellular Degeneration at the end of the round. Jackalís team had a brave upset when they successfully kept their cloner alive with Angel for 2 more rounds. He successfully cloned Electro (who died immediately) and Electro again the next round with 2 wounds for now being a Clone Experiment. Ultimately, the damage done by 4 attacks a turn from Red Ghostís abilities damaged them too far to bounce back even once they killed the physicist. Jackalís Drug Tipped Claws never saw any use due to unlucky rolls.
Map: Quasatch Playground (regrettably hindering to Electro and Sandman due to their water weakness.)
Units: Army 1 (700): Jackal (265), Electro (135), Sandman (210), Angel (90)

Army 2 (700): Red Ghost (200), Mikhilo (200), Peoter (170), Igor (130)
Spoiler Alert!

Who won and how many wounds did they have? The super apes won with Igor (2/5 life) and Mikhilo (4/5 life) remaining.

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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes

- What should be the unit's point value? He doesnít seem to be able to make up for that amount of points. His attack is too mediocre to really ever activate drug tipped claws.
- Give a brief overview. Wonder Man walked through the army and the clone died quickly (which is thematic) I know that Jackal isnít really an offensive threat but it seems as though my main focus was getting him to survive for a round, sacrificing my other units to no avail. Jackal couldnít even scratch Hawkeye who is 150 points.
Map: Quasatch Playground
Units: Jackal (265), Blink (145), Scarlet Spider (190) [600] vs Wonder Man (350), Hawkeye (150), and Sharon Carter (90) [590]
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Who won and how many wounds did they have? Jackal lost. Remaining members were Wonder Man (8/8 life), Sharon Carter (4/4 life) and Hawkeye (3/4 life)
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Re: The Book of Jackal(Public Playtesting)

Do we want at least one more test with the cloning changed to once per Unique Hero?
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Re: The Book of Jackal(Public Playtesting)

Which version did b57123m (dude needs a nickname, stat) test? Either way, low cost makes it hard to evaluate his actual worth.

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Re: The Book of Jackal(Public Playtesting)

B57.

He tested what's currently in the OP. I sent it to him before I got a chance to look at Ronin's results.

{Edit} I meant SP
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Re: The Book of Jackal(Public Playtesting)

Nice to see B12 give it a shot.

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Re: The Book of Jackal(Public Playtesting)

Bomber. Think about it.

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I did. I like it
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Re: The Book of Jackal(Public Playtesting)

My vote's for Beamer or B12.
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He tested what's currently in the OP. I sent it to him before I got a chance to look at Ronin's results.

{Edit} I meant SP
The low point value of those games doesn't give us a whole lot to work with so, yeah, I want to see at least one more test. Whether you want to make the change or not is up to you, Mr. Hero Man, but I expect Ronin's tests are more in-line with his power level than B12's are.

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