Justice League Design *Brainstorming* - Page 19

Arkham · #1 July 22nd, 2015, 03:11 PM

Martian Manhunter II: (completed)

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Batman III: (completed)

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Cyborg II: (completed)

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Superman III: (completed)

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Previous Directions Considered:

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Ideas 1-6

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*Specific examples of each direction will be added, in spoilers, as time allows.

1. Stickers: Create JL Stickers to place on already created cards and retroactively place them in the Justice League, then design future synergies based off this.

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2. Team Cards: Create draftable cards that list team members and give specific synergy boosts.

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Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Hmm, had another revolutionary thought that allows true, inclusive Justice League synergy in just one design instead of several. It would require a new type of design (but one that was discussed way, way, way back when and I actually opposed at the time, but think might just fit the bill here and would certainly be very different than the Avengers). It would only require a single card, that card would probably have a low cost, that card would allow you to put pretty much anyone you wanted into the Justice League, but would reward you more the more you included thematic members, and that card would probably be very hard to cost as point limits got variable (that's the one major drawback I can think of so far, and where I need the most help!).

Here it is: A draftable team card (shout out to Balantai and GreyOwl!

). Rather than creating new versions of each of these stand alone heroes, take what we have and give people a reason to draft them together by creating a Justice League Team Card that has a point value to allow you to draft it in your army, then contains this special text (just sample text right now):

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Originally Posted by IAmBatman

If you control Cyborg, at the start of the game, before placing Order Markers, you place one Glyph of Boom Tube in any empty space in your startzone, power side up.
If you control Superman and at least one numbered Order Marker is revealed on his Army Card, all figures you control add one to their defense for the remainder of the round.
If you control Wonder Woman and at least one numbered Order Marker is revealed on her Army Card, all figures you control add one to their attack for the remainder of the round.
If you control Batman, once per round you may reveal the “X” Order Marker on his card and rearrange any unrevealed Order Markers on any Army Cards you control.
If you control Flash and at least one numbered Order Marker is revealed on his Army Card, all figures you control move one additional space for the remainder of the round.
If you control Green Lantern and at least one numbered Order Marker is revealed on his Army Card, all figures you control with a Range Number of 4 or higher add one to their range for the remainder of the round.
If you control Martian Manhunter and at least one numbered Order Marker is revealed on his Army Card, an opponent may not take temporary or permanent control of any of your figures for the remainder of the round.
If you control Aquaman and at least one numbered Order Marker is revealed on his Army Card, add 1 to any 20-sided die roll for the remainder of the round.

3. JL Communicator Utility Glyph: Create a Utility Glyph that gives open-ended synergy with the Justice League name attached.

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4. Team Glyphs: Create specific “JL Tactics” Glyphs that start on JL hubs and offer power boosts tied to either specific characters or specific Classes.

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5. Class: Class-Specific Recruiting for static, universal team powers.

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Martian Manhunter II:

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Batman III:

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Cyborg II:

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Doctor Fate II:

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All Character Class Being Included:

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6. Original Marker: Open-ended recruiting for static, universal team powers tied to Markers (original approach/Avenger analog).

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Originally Posted by Aggressive Sock

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Martian Manhunter II:

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Cyborg II:

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Batman II Utility Glyph:

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Here's the breakdown to what the markers are offering:

Martian Manhunter alone:
+2 to initiative
-Clear sight
-Control denial within 2 spaces
-+1 to 20-sided die rolls for 1 person

Cyborg alone:
-After 1 possible JL figure takes a turn within 5 clear sight spaces, Cyborg may attack.
-+2 to Boom Tube roll

JLC Utility Glyph:
-Batman may interchange Order Markers with 1 other person.

Together:
-+6 to initiative
-Clear sight guaranteed for Cyborg's Coordinated Attack
-Control denial within 6 spaces of Martian Manhunter
-+1 to 20-sided die rolls for 5 people
-Cyborg may attack after a potential of 5 other figures with JL markers take a turn.
-+6 to Boom Tube roll
-5 other figure's with the JL marker and glyph holder may interchange turns when revealing an OM.

Idea 7-12

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7. Open Marker Burn: Open-ended recruiting for powers based on Marker resource management.

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Originally Posted by Aggressive Sock

Martian Manhunter II:
JUSTICE LEAGUE PRECOGNITION
At the start of the game, place up to 4 total Justice League markers on the cards of Unique Heroes you control. You may place more than 1 marker on the same card. Each figure you control with a Justice League Marker on its card may use any of the following:
• When rolling the 20-sided die, you may add 3 to the roll.
• If an opponent would take control of you, their turn immediately ends.
• Before moving, your opponent must show you their lowest numbered unrevealed Order Marker.
• Before a figure you control rolls defense dice, if you are adjacent to the defending figure, you may roll defense instead, and receive any wounds.
After a figure you control uses a Justice League Precognitive power, remove 1 Justice League marker from that figure's card.

Batman III:
JUSTICE LEAGUE TACTICS
At the start of the game, place up to 4 total Justice League markers on the cards of Unique Heroes you control. You may place more than 1 marker on the same card. Each figure you control with a Justice League Marker on its card may use any of the following:
• Before rolling for initiative, add 2 to your initiative roll for each adjacent enemy figure.
• Instead of taking a turn with this figure, you may take a turn with one other Unique Hero you control within clear sight.
• If you attack a figure with your normal attack, add 2 to your attack. If you destroy the enemy figure, take 1 additional turn.
• After attacking with a special attack, you may attack with that special attack one additional time. Figures you control are not affected by these attacks.
After a figure you control uses a Justice League Tactics power, remove 1 Justice League marker from that figure's card.

Essentially you can place up to 4 total markers, so you could load up on 1 guy, 2 on 2 different card, or all 4 on different cards etc. Only those with Justice League markers can use those powers. Each time a power is used from those specials, that figure must remove 1 Justice League marker. The number of markers placed can be worked out. Other figures could offer something similar, perhaps with less markers being placed, and less powers with the special being offered. There could also be other people's specials that work with the markers, but possibly don't take away from the markers, giving them a sort of resource management quality. Say Cyborg's Boom Tube, perhaps it costs a marker to go through at the start of the game. Or perhaps his Coordinated Attack only works on those with a marker, but it doesn't cost one, so it leaves reason not to spend them, but in a pinch, you have to(similar to Lanterns).

This could also play into specific powers, making certain ones require more markers to activate. For example, say we did do a resurrection power on Fate. It would only be possible if the figure had 2 or more Justice League markers on their card, and if the figure is successfully resurrected, you remove all Justice League markers. Just throwing out possibilities here.

It's a team synergy with markers, that hasn't really been done to my knowledge.

8. Class Marker Burn: Class-Specific Recruiting for powers based on Marker resource management.

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Martian Manhunter 2.0:

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Batman 3.0:

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Cyborg 2.0:

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JL Synergy List MM2.0, Batman 3.0, & Cyborg 2.0

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9. Team Powers: No recruiting, just Class-specific power offerings.

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Martian Manhunter II

JUSTICE LEAGUE SUPPORT
If you only have Unique Heroes in your Army:
• If a King, Archer, or Magician you control rolls the 20-sided die, you may add 2 to the roll.
• Once per round if an opponent successfully rolls to take control of any Champion, Warrior, or Scientist you control, their turn immediately ends.
• Once per game when defending against a non-adjacent attack with a Vigilante, Officer, or Archer you control, one shield will block all damage.

TELEPATHIC MASTERY
An opponent may never take control of Martian Manhunter. All figures you control are considered within clear sight of each other.

DENSITY CONTROL
Martian Manhunter can move through all figures and obstacles such as ruins, and is never attacked when leaving an engagement. Martian Manhunter cannot be targeted by opponents' non-adjacent figures for any attacks or for any opponents' special powers that require clear sight. Martian Manhunter may not be moved by any special power on an opponent's Army Card.

Batman II

JUSTICE LEAGUE TACTICS
If you only have Unique Heroes in your Army:
• Instead of taking a turn with Batman, you may take a turn with a Champion, Warrior, or Scientist you control.
• Once per round when a Archer, Officer, or Protector you control destroys an enemy figure, you may take one additional turn.
• Once per game when attacking an adjacent figure with a Mystic, Refugee, or Warrior you control, all blanks rolled count as skulls.

MASTER MARTIAL ARTIST
When attacking an opponent's adjacent figure with a normal attack, add one automatic skull to whatever is rolled. When defending against a normal attack from an adjacent figure, add one automatic shield to whatever is rolled, and all excess shields count as unblockable hits on the attacking figure.

Cyborg II:

JUSTICE LEAGUE STRATEGY
If you only have Unique Heroes in your Army:
• Add 2 to your initiative roll for each enemy figure adjacent to a Champion, Warrior, or Officer you control.
• Once per round, before a figure you control rolls defense dice, you may choose a Guardian, Protector, or Champion figure you control adjacent to the attacking figure to roll defense instead, and take any resulting wounds.
• Once per game when attacking with or defending against a normal attack with an Archer, Engineer, or Officer you control, you may re-roll any dice.

BOOM TUBE TRANSPORT
At the start of the round, if Cyborg is in your start zone, you may choose to place a Glyph of Boom Tube power-side up on an empty space in your start zone. At the end of the round, remove the Glyph of Boom Tube from the battlefield.

CYBERNETIC ENGINEERING
At the end of a round, you may choose Cyborg or an Android or Cyborg Hero adjacent to Cyborg. Remove or place 1 Wound Marker on the chosen figure’s card.

10. Marker Powers: A Team Powers/Markers hybrid; open-ended recruiting for universal team powers tied to Markers and class-specific power offerings.

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Originally Posted by IAmBatman

OK, here's an attempt to take advantage of the best parts of the work we've done so far and hybridize it with the Marker approach, while adding in some tweaks of my own.

We'd keep the same three hubs (Cyborg 2.0, Martian Manhunter 2.0, and Batman 3.0). Add a Scientist Blue Beetle and Magician Doctor Fate to round things out and you'd have a pretty encompassing Justice League based on 9 Classes (Champion, Vigilante, Officer, Scientist, Warrior, Archer, King, Protector, Magician). If you wanted more synergies, Blue Beetle could come packing Equipment Glyphs to hand out, perhaps, and Fate might give boosts with his magic.

But we'd also take advantage of the Markers with some boosts here and there that applied to the whole team. My take:

MARTIAN MANHUNTER

NAME = MARTIAN MANHUNTER II
SECRET IDENTITY = J'ONN J'ONZZ

SPECIES = MARTIAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = CHAMPION
PERSONALITY = BENEVOLENT
SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 7
MOVE = 8
RANGE = 4
ATTACK = 6
DEFENSE = 7

POINTS = 360-380

JUSTICE LEAGUE MIND LINK
At the start of the game, place a blue JL marker on this card and on the cards of up to 2 other Unique Heroes you control. An opponent may never take control of Martian Manhunter, or any figure you control within X spaces of Martian Manhunter that has a JL marker on its card, where X equals the amount of figures you control with JL markers on their cards. Figures you control with JL markers on their cards are always considered in clear sight of each other.

TEAM PRECOGNITIVE
If you only have figures with JL Markers in your Army:
• When rolling the 20-sided die for an Archer, King, or Magician you control, you may add 2 to the roll.
• Once per Round, before moving a Champion, Scientist, or Warrior you control, you may choose one unrevealed Order Marker on the Army Card of an opponent’s figure within 4 clear sight spaces of Martian Manhunter and view it.
• Once per game when defending against a non-adjacent attack with an Officer, Protector, or Vigilante you control, one shield will block all damage.

DENSITY CONTROL
Martian Manhunter can move through all figures and obstacles such as ruins, and is never attacked when leaving an engagement. Martian Manhunter cannot be targeted by opponents' non-adjacent figures for any attacks or for any opponents' special powers that require clear sight. Martian Manhunter may not be moved by any special power on an opponent's Army Card.

SUPER STRENGTH
FLYING

BATMAN

NAME = BATMAN (III)
SECRET IDENTITY = BRUCE WAYNE

SPECIES = HUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = VIGILANTE
PERSONALITY = DRIVEN
SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 6

LIFE = 5
MOVE = 5
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 5
DEFENSE = 5

POINTS = 250?

UTILITY BELT 2
At the start of the game, after Order Markers are placed and before initiative is rolled, you may place up to two Utility Equipment Glyphs of different types on this card. Batman can equip a Utility Equipment Glyph even if there are other Utility Equipment Glyphs on this card, up to a maximum of 2. Batman cannot lose these Equipment Glyphs by any means unless he is destroyed.

JUSTICE LEAGUE TACTICIAN
At the start of the game, place a blue JL marker on this card and on the cards of up to 4 other Unique Heroes you control. If you only have figures with JL Markers in your Army:
• Add 2 to your initiative roll for each enemy figure adjacent to a Champion, Officer, or Scientist you control.
• Once per round when an Archer, Protector, or Vigilante you control attacks with a special attack, they may attack with that special attack one additional time. Figures you control are not affected by these attacks.
• Once per game, add two dice to the attack of a King, Magician, or Warrior you control. If this attack destroys an enemy figure, you may take one additional turn with a King, Magician, or Warrior you control.

EXPLOSIVE BATARANG SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 5. Attack 2+.
Choose a figure to attack, adding 2 to the attack if the chosen figure has Super Strength. Any figures adjacent to the chosen figure are also affected by this special attack. Roll attack dice once for all affected figures. Each figure rolls defense dice separately. Batman cannot be affected by this special attack. When Batman attacks with this special attack, he may attack one additional time.

CYBORG

NAME = CYBORG 2.0
SECRET IDENTITY = VIC STONE

SPECIES = CYBORG
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = SCIENTIST
PERSONALITY = BRILLIANT

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 5
MOVE = 5
RANGE = 4
ATTACK = 5
DEFENSE = 5

POINTS = 250?

BOOM TUBE TRANSPORT
At the start of the game, you may place one Glyph of Boom Tube power-side up on an empty space in your Start Zone. Before moving Cyborg, you may roll the 20-sided die for each unengaged figure you control with a JL marker on its card within 4 clear sight spaces of Cyborg, adding 1 to the roll for each figure you control with a JL marker on its card. If you roll a 14 or higher, you may move that figure up to 4 spaces. After moving Cyborg for the first time, immediately remove the Glyph of Boom Tube from the battlefield.

JUSTICE LEAGUE COORDINATED ATTACK
At the start of the game, place a blue JL marker on this card and on the card of 1 other Unique Hero you control. After revealing an Order Marker on the card of and taking a turn with a figure you control within 5 clear sight spaces of Cyborg, if that figure has a JL marker on its card, you may immediately attack once with Cyborg, and you may not take any additional turns with other figures you control.

CYBERNETIC REPAIR X
At the end of the round, if you reveal an "X" Order Marker on this card, remove one Wound Marker from each Army Card you control with the Cybernetic Repair X special power.

SUPER STRENGTH

Edit: Here are the iconic Leaguers would be covered under the umbrella of those 9 classes if we went with this plan: Superman, Wonder Woman, Booster Gold, Flash (Wally), Captain Marvel (Billy), Batman (Bruce), Batman (Dick), Black Canary, Huntress, Green Lantern (Hal), Green Lantern (John), Green Lantern (Kyle), Green Lantern (Guy), Atom (Ray), Flash (Barry), Firestorm, Blue Beetle (Ted), Vixen, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Aquaman, Zatanna, Doctor Fate, Red Tornado

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Originally Posted by IAmBatman

That feels pretty darn inclusive to me. Most others who didn't make the cut are either D-List (Zauriel), really members of a side-group such as Justice League International or Justice League Detroit (Ice, Fire, Gypsy), or ripe for a new version (Supergirl - could have a Champion version easily).

11. Class Marker Wildcard: Class-Specific Recruiting for static, universal team powers tied to Markers, along with one open-ended recruit (wildcard).

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Originally Posted by japes

I think right now after all this I would say my ideal path would be for MM2 and BM3 to be able to hand out some amount of Markers to select classes and each have a team power.

Martian Manhunter 2.0:
JUSTICE LEAGUE PRECOGNITION
At the start of the game, place up to 4 Justice League markers on the cards of Unique Champion, Archer, Vigilante, or King Heroes you control. Once per turn, after a figure you control with a Justice League Marker rolls the 20-sided die, you may add 2 to that roll.

TELEPATHIC MASTERY
An opponent may never take control of Martian Manhunter or any figure you control within 5 spaces of Martian Manhunter with a Justice League marker on it's card. All figures you control are considered within clear sight of each other.

DENSITY CONTROL
Martian Manhunter can move through all figures and obstacles such as ruins, and is never attacked when leaving an engagement. Martian Manhunter cannot be targeted by opponents' non-adjacent figures for any attacks or for any opponents' special powers that require clear sight. Martian Manhunter may not be moved by any special power on an opponent's Army Card.

Batman 3.0:
JUSTICE LEAGUE TACTICAL ANALYSIS
At the start of the game, place up to 4 Justice League markers on the cards of Unique Champion, Warrior, Scientist, or Officer Heroes you control. While Batman is in play, at the beginning of your turn, you may move 1 unrevealed Order Marker from the card of a figure you control with a JL marker on its card onto any other figure you control with a JL Marker on its card.

MASTER MARTIAL ARTIST
When attacking an opponent's adjacent figure with a normal attack, add one automatic skull to whatever is rolled. When defending against a normal attack from an adjacent figure, add one automatic shield to whatever is rolled, and all excess shields count as unblockable hits on the attacking figure.

Cyborg 2.0:
JUSTICE LEAGUE COMBAT COOPERATION
At the start of the game, place a Justice League markers on the card of a Unique Heroes you control. After revealing an Order Marker on the card of a figure you control with a Justice League marker on its card and taking a turn with that figure, you may take a turn with Cyborg. You may not take any additional turns with any other figures you control.

BOOM TUBE TRANSPORT
At the start of the round, if Cyborg is in your start zone, you may choose to place a Glyph of Boom Tube power-side up on an empty space in your start zone. At the end of the first round, you may move up to 3 figures in your start zone with a Justice League marker on their card 3 spaces each, then remove the Glyph of Boom Tube from the battlefield.

CYBERNETIC ENGINEERING
At the end of a round, Cyborg and all Android or Cyborg Unique Heroes you control with a Justice League marker on their card may remove 1 Wound Marker from that figure's card.

From what we gathered I think it addresses most of these comments...
Johnny:
-Has expressed desire for the classes to be narrowed as much as possible, to not include many outliers. (Class limits to who gets a marker

Karat:
-Try to limit the classes down a bit.Classes limited with Cyborg getting one wildcard marker for the outliers
-Doesn't want too much crammed into 2 cards, perhaps go with 3-4 per card. Classes set who gets a marker but powers are simplified to figures with markers

Viegon:
-Prefers just 1 hub. Reduced to two
-No JLA Tactician Batman + Detective Batman on one card.done
-Desires more new versions of cards to make the synergy happen, especially if it helps avoid single classes being listed for 1 character's inclusion. Cyborg's wildcard marker takes care of the single classes with fewer new cards needed
-It's not a sticking point, but he'd prefer to see 1 figure have an open ended choice of 1 figure to make a League Member.Done...Cyborg
-Would prefer to keep the classes listed at a max of 5. Done

Trollbrute:
-Seems to be the most on board with what we're doing thus far.
-Only concerns have been with specific powers such as the +2 d20 boost and Resurrection.

Also to note...this all fits on a card...I tested it.

12. JL 2.0: Design new versions of every member of the Justice League that we want to include.

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Currently Discussing: Narrowing Options

Hero Scorecard (4 of 5 ballots in)

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Goal: Find a way to synergize the Justice League.

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