The Holocron of Swamps of Dagobah

[Sheep]

Originally Posted by Porkins

I didn't plan on using any glyphs, at least not Thorian glyphs, for the first test.

Yes the forest is on height, but there are so many trees that much LOS is blocked.

Doesn't make it useless... mad_wookie's Sirocco.

[Yodaking]

*edit* wrong thread.

[Porkins]

Cross-posting from Lobot thread:

Originally Posted by Porkins

Army test - Lobot

Map: Swamps of Dagobah - no special rules, no glyphs in center of map. Used Astrid and Bacta Tank on forest area glyph locations.



Team A: Obi-Wan, Zuckuss, Han, Chewie, Probe Droid (510)
Team B: Lobot, Darth Vader (Administrator), 2x Bespin Guards, 1x Stormtroopers (510)

Success' bounty is DV.

R1IB - DV adv with BGs toward Astrid to meet up with Obi and Z. Han and Chewie go right side towards Bacta Tank and Stormtroopers who attempt to screen Lobot. BGs one on Obi.

R2IA - Z snared DV and removes 2 OMs, takes Astrid. Obi and Z work on the crippled DV while Chewie takes 2 from STs, then hops into Bacta Tank.

R3IA - Han NTMOS towards SZ and puts one in Lobot while Obi and Z bring DV down to 1 life remaining. DV one shot kills Z and the BGs bring Obi down to 2/4.

R4IA - DV takes Astrid and destroys Obi. BGs swarm Han and whittle him down to 2/5. Lobot retreats away from Han and Chewie while DV moves toward Han and Bacta.

R5IB- Chewie starts firing the Bowcaster at the BGs surrounding Han. DV moves in and Chokes Han to death. OM2 lost on Han.

R6IB - Chewie destroys DV who loses 2 OMs. Chewie moves on squad figures remaining and starts mopping them up.

R7IB - BGs one on Chewie, who destroys Lobot. OM3 on Lobot. Chewie destroys last ST.

R8IA - Last BG puts 2 on Chewie (3/6) before being destroyed.

Remaining: Chewie at 3/6 and full health Probe Droid.


Thoughts: This test makes the designs for Lobot and Bespin Guards very promising. I was worried that the Guard bonding would make Vader too powerful, but the Rebels pulled out the win. Although they did some decent damage, the single squad of Stormtroopers was probably not the best choice. Maybe an additional squad of BG's and C3PO would have been better. I think I like the Bespin faction where they are at. Lobot's cost is probably a bit on the high side for what he can do by himself, which is fine because the guard bonding is so valuable to keep your heroes around longer.

Swamps of Dagobah map: I really enjoyed the map. Almost all of the map was used. Most of the battle took place around the foresty glyph locations (Astrid and Bacta Tank). The middle area was also used due to the jungle pieces and because figures wanted to shortcut from one glyph to the other. There is a pine tree on either side of the map that doesn't really serve much purpose since it is up against the edge of the map (ie - cannot block LOS). In the picture above it is in the very middle of the bottom edge and top edge of the map. Maybe it could be moved inward one space such that it can provide some cover. On the swamp water tiles: @Karat are you certain the number of tiles is correct for two SotM's? I have four Hives and (I thought) two SotM's worth of swamp water, but I had to use up all four Hive bases to be able to build the map. We should proceed with talking about swamp glyphs/swamp creature/dark side cave rules or whatever design work we still need to do.

[Porkins]

Cross-posting from the Duros Thugs thread:

Originally Posted by Porkins

Thugs Initial Test

Spoiler Alert!

Duros Thugs N' Rodians (no Harmony) - Army Test 1

Map: Swamps of Dagobah - no special rules, no glyphs in middle. Move and Range glyphs on forested hills, face down.

Team A (Megasilver special): Venoc Warlord, Venoc Vipers x4, Aubriens x3 (490)
Team B (I don't know why I picked them - it's just been a while since I played NGS): 2x Duros Thugs, 2x Rodian Thugs, Fen Hydra, Ne-Gok-Sa, James Murphy (485)

Pre-game thoughts: My idea is to grab glyphs with the Duros right away, then move up the IR Vision Rodians to help pick off the Venocs and Aubriens.

R1IB: Duros move out using Travelers and grab both glyphs where they are met by the VV's. Vipers Frenzy once; 2 VV out (10/12), 1 Duros (5/6)

R2IA: Vipers charge through the Duros on the glyph and others into the area on the hill next to Team B Start Zone. Thugs use the Gang power to move and attack - attempting to get multiple guys into better position, including the Jungle cancelling Rodians. AAs close in on James and knock him down to 1 of 5 remaining. VV's at 8/12, Duros at 2/6, JM at 1/5.

R3IB: Gang Activity again, attempting to push the Snakes and Archers back while advancing on the glyph on opposite side of SZ. Hydra moves up into middle. AA's take the Range glyph back; Duros take the Move glyph. Venocs get Frenzy 4 or 5 times (I lost count) consecutively, rolling three 20's. When the smoke clears: Hydra, James Murphy 1 Duros (1/6) and 2 Rodians (3/6) are dead.

R4IB: Rodians get on their IR Eyes and take out 2 Venocs and the AA on the Range glyph. VV-> 1 Rodian. Rodians are able to use Gang Activity to activate the 2 remaining Rodians and the 1 remaining Duros. One AA is destroyed due to the IR Vision power negating his/her Jungle Tree bonus. The last Duros is eliminated and NGS moves out of SZ. Venocs are all eliminated; Aubriens at 5/9, Rodians at 2/6.

R5IB: Aubriens eliminate the last two Rodians, then fan out around NGS as he methodically plods up the hill and back down, working his way toward Mittens over the next few rounds. He eliminates several Aubriens along the way as he corners them, but they continue to wear him down with their 7 range.

R6IB
R7IA
R8IA - NGS reaches Team A SZ with 2/5 remaining. Aubriens at 2/9. AA destroys NGS on a whiffed defense roll.

Remaining: 2 Aubriens, Mittens at full health and unactivated.

Thoughts: I like the Thugs. Simple design, but the Gang Activity power gives you some good options. The Thugs weathered the first wave of Venocs well, but then the Aubriens bought time for the second wave of Venocs where they got that lucky run of Frenzy rolls in and decimated the Thug team. Without that, I think the Thug team would have done quite a bit better with the Hydra in there snapping up Venocs.

I think I would increase the move on Gang Activity from 3 to 4 and maybe increase cost from 50 to 55 or 60...just looking at Aubriens who are 70 and a great ranged option and stats are somewhat similar to Thugs.

Swamps map: I like this map a lot. I think that having the glyphs where I've had them for the last two games, up on the hill, is probably not good. Those glyph locations were sort of designed for the single use Dark Side Cave glyphs. Next time I play on this map, I think I'll leave those off, or maybe put a treasure glyph there, and put some mid-powered glyphs in the middle of the swamp to see how it changes up the gameplay.

[Porkins]

What do we need to do to move this along? Yoda will soon hit public testing, and then this will be the only other thing we need to do a Dagobah release.

@Karat - were you able to review the number of Swamp Water tiles used? I recall that there were a couple places that were weird, where there was a swamp water tile placed under another tile, but in a gap...if that makes sense.

I guess we would need to decide about a Dark Side Cave glyph, what glyphs, if any, to put in the middle of the map, and how the Swamp Creature special rule will work.

Then some playtests.

[Yodaking]

Are you ready to move this out to the public and have some input from the new BoSS team? Or would you prefer to hold off until we get the BoSS rules & procedures in place before getting sidetracked with a map?

[Sheep]

Move it out.

[Karat]

Actually, let's finish up the rules first.

[Karat]

Originally Posted by Porkins

What do we need to do to move this along? Yoda will soon hit public testing, and then this will be the only other thing we need to do a Dagobah release.

@Karat - were you able to review the number of Swamp Water tiles used? I recall that there were a couple places that were weird, where there was a swamp water tile placed under another tile, but in a gap...if that makes sense.

I guess we would need to decide about a Dark Side Cave glyph, what glyphs, if any, to put in the middle of the map, and how the Swamp Creature special rule will work.

Then some playtests.

I finally got around to looking at this and there were exactly 34 swamp water tiles used, and none under another tile.

As soon as we get the rules voted on and in place, I plan on getting this moved out to the BoSS section and getting this moving again.

[Yodaking]

Sounds like a good plan.

[Porkins]

I am looking at Swamps_of_Dagobah_5.0.hsc. Is there a newer version?

Here is the overhang in the VS file I have:


Also when I look at the VS file, it shows 68 swamp tiles, or two SOTM's (not counting the Hive Bases), so I must be short a few swamp water tiles or something.

[Karat]

Yeah, in the OP.