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Old June 14th, 2018, 06:40 PM
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Say you're attacking a Feral Troll with a Specter. The troll is 3 spaces away from a friendly Raelin.

You run 2 Specters through it, each taking away one defense.

How many defense dice do you roll?

Well, 1 - 2 + 2 = 1. Easy.

But hold up. I'm the Troll player, and I want my troll to not take wounds. So I argue that he can't reduce my defense below 0, which means that the second Specter's pass through doesn't count. 1 - 1 = 0, and 0 + 2 is 2. This is correct if you apply the powers in this order.

As the specter player, I don't like this. I say that Raelin's bonus is applied first. 1 + 2 = 3, and 3 - 2 = 1. This is correct if you apply the powers in this order.

So which order do you apply the powers in?

You have to dice off. That's what the rules say for simultaneous powers.

That gets annoying.

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The implicit way this is calculated is the first one. Apply all modifiers, then impose a minimum of zero. It's simple and how everyone plays it.

Adding in another minimum/maximum causes the problem superfrog describes above. If there are multiple min/max values, then the "apply the zero min at the end" is no longer universal, and the timing of the addition/subtractions becomes important. And that's just an ugly mess.
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Old June 14th, 2018, 06:42 PM
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Re: The Pre-SoV Workshop

So if the power says "a maximum of -2 defense dice for Deathly Touch," it would be okay?
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Old June 14th, 2018, 06:46 PM
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Re: The Pre-SoV Workshop

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So if the power says "a maximum of -2 defense dice for Deathly Touch," it would be okay?
Yeah, that's ok I suppose. It's technically new, but would work ok I think.
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Re: The Pre-SoV Workshop

Wow...very informative. Thank you for explaining that.

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Old June 14th, 2018, 08:08 PM
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Re: The Pre-SoV Workshop

I'm late, but - gladiator class for Drak? Heh.
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Old June 14th, 2018, 09:58 PM
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I'm late, but - gladiator class for Drak? Heh.
I've thought about that but the Capuans are restricted to Human Gladiators.
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Old June 14th, 2018, 10:16 PM
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Re: The Pre-SoV Workshop

Really?? Damn! I never noticed!
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Re: The Pre-SoV Workshop

There's always the synergy for Spartacus and Priscus, since only the bonding is restricted to humans. That said, I don't really see this mini as being a gladiator at all, in theme or sculpt.
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Re: The Pre-SoV Workshop

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So if the power says "a maximum of -2 defense dice for Deathly Touch," it would be okay?
Yeah, that's ok I suppose. It's technically new, but would work ok I think.
I like the idea of allowing the defense to be lowered more by having more specters pass through the figure. I don't want it any more powerful that -2, just to make sure it isn't too good against commons, so that will be the limit. I'll get to testing with that.


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Old June 15th, 2018, 09:39 AM
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Re: The Pre-SoV Workshop

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I like the idea of allowing the defense to be lowered more by having more specters pass through the figure. I don't want it any more powerful that -2, just to make sure it isn't too good against commons, so that will be the limit. I'll get to testing with that.
I thought about suggesting that, but decided I don't like the idea. It's a bit too much memory-required. Remembering which figures the any Specter passed through isn't hard. Remembering, for every figure, how many Specters passed through it? When they're moving through a pack of figure, all from different directions and distances, it would quickly become a pain to remember.
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Re: The Pre-SoV Workshop

It's a needless ornamentation. The best designs are the ones that have the essential pieces and nothing else. Don't do it, Leaf It. It's clumsy and it adds nothing; it only hurts.

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Old June 15th, 2018, 10:27 AM
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Re: The Pre-SoV Workshop

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I like the idea of allowing the defense to be lowered more by having more specters pass through the figure. I don't want it any more powerful that -2, just to make sure it isn't too good against commons, so that will be the limit. I'll get to testing with that.
I thought about suggesting that, but decided I don't like the idea. It's a bit too much memory-required. Remembering which figures the any Specter passed through isn't hard. Remembering, for every figure, how many Specters passed through it? When they're moving through a pack of figure, all from different directions and distances, it would quickly become a pain to remember.
Scytale is probably right.

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