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Re: Any other childfree people here?
So Ranior... it sickens you when a child proclaims a love of science because a teacher taught them to love science? That seems weird coming from you, but I guess it's good to know...
~Aldin, wondering what the list of acceptable things for kids to believe without the intellectual rigor to understand them is in Ranior's mind He either fears his fate too much or his desserts are small That dares not put it to the touch to gain or lose it all ~James Graham |
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I might not have stated things with the clarity I had hoped, so let me try and explain. I am not a fan of indoctrinating kids. If a teacher was to tell a child that science is the best subject and that he must believe in it or bad things will occur, and enoucraged him to constantly recite scientific ideas and then the child "happened" to "love" science, that would be despicable. The choice was removed from the child, they never had the true option to follow what they would have chosen themsevles. They were indoctrinated into believing something. However teachers rarely work like that. They teach a lot about the world, and present their side of things--without threats that the child will be punished if they don't listen, and without being taught that they have to love the subject. On the other hand, as a child I never had a choice about religion. I was raised as a Lutheran. I never got to select which religion I wanted to learn about, and never got to learn about any others. I was repeadetly told that I had to love and trust god and pray to him for forgivness for the sins I had committed/been born with. I never got to choose where to go, or when to go, but I repreadetly had to. (Now schools also work like this, but again a school is teaching, not indoctrinating, or at least it shouldn't be). Now not all children are brought up this way, and surely not all children who profess religious belief were indoctrinated into it. But I surely cannot thing of anything in this world that uses indoctrination quite so much as religion, and I can't think of any group of individuals more indoctrinated into a belief than children. There is a significant difference about forcing your beliefs upon others, or instead teaching an individual about what you believe and letting them choose. I loathe the former but am for the latter. Quote:
As for taking actions that help others...I tend to think is more morally praiseworthy but not obligatory. It's good to help others, and it's admirable to donate money to the less fortunate, but I'm not sure if it's mandatory or obligatory in my mind. Then again, everytime I think about the suffering of those far away from me, such as the abject poverty many children live with and die with in Africa, I sometimes start to think that I have a moral obligation to send them any aid that I don't myself need to survive, as to not surely causes them more suffering than if I would. I struggle with answering those exact questions of what should I do, what am I required to do, what is best to do, etc all the time. I do not and will not claim to have the answers to what is best to do in every situation. I know the guiding principles I go by, and I think generally it is the moral guidlines that most of us are guided by. I personally I am still figuring out where those guidelines take me in different situations in life. |
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I hate to say it Ranior, but I think the line you are drawing between teaching and indoctrination is pretty blurry. Most kids spend more time at school than at church. Heck, most kids spend more time learning at school than they spend learning at home. It's pretty hard for parents to subject kids to 20 some odd hours of training per week in addition to school.
School has punishments when you don't repeat the answers they want to hear, and rewards those who excel on various areas publicly in front of the other attendees. You are required to sit and be politely attentive, regardless of whether or not you agree - and again, there are punishments if you don't. If you skip a day - punishment. Did you have a choice about whether or not to learn English? Math? Science? Not really, certainly not in any significant way while you were young. I'm having a difficult time divining how you determine what is teaching and what is indoctrination. ~Aldin, who actually is pretty sure he knows how you draw the line but isn't sure you do He either fears his fate too much or his desserts are small That dares not put it to the touch to gain or lose it all ~James Graham |
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I believe many had an enviable relationship with nature and their version of God. It seems strange that they were left out of Enlightenment for so long. Why did God create humans and then choose to save such a small part of the population? We are His creations, if we are flawed, that is by design but we are punished because we were made this way? Indians were all deemed unworthy simply because they were born in the wrong place at the wrong time? Thank you for your time and insight. Does anyone here watch Wretched hosted by Todd Friel? A cloud can change its semblance, yet retain its will With the intimacy of destruction, One knows what it is to be alive The empty sky holds no reflection, for sorrow - Eslo Rudkey |
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I would like to believe that too, cap.
Not all seem to agree with that notion. A cloud can change its semblance, yet retain its will With the intimacy of destruction, One knows what it is to be alive The empty sky holds no reflection, for sorrow - Eslo Rudkey |
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Having said that, I want to make it clear that redemption through Jesus is the only way to be reconciled to God. My interpretation of this is that those who earnestly seek to know God can find Him and be reconciled to Him without knowing Jesus' name. At the same time, if they were introduced to Jesus, they would instantly recognize Him as their redeemer. So anyone who rejects Jesus would not have some other method of being reconciled to God. ~Aldin, wondering if we're going to end up discussing the nature of time He either fears his fate too much or his desserts are small That dares not put it to the touch to gain or lose it all ~James Graham |
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Thank you.
So if you can go to Heaven without ever knowing of Jesus, why do we need Christianity? I will refer back to American Indians. If they were indeed going to Heaven before the knowledge of the Bible, were they better off knowing of it? Countless numbers of Indians who would have been saved are now damned because someone brought knowledge of the Bible to their people and they chose not to accept it, something they were already doing beforehand. This feels wrong to me. How can you be living a Heaven worthy life, change nothing and go to Hell? A cloud can change its semblance, yet retain its will With the intimacy of destruction, One knows what it is to be alive The empty sky holds no reflection, for sorrow - Eslo Rudkey |
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Learning about Jesus only completes the story for the God seeker. ~Aldin, livingly He either fears his fate too much or his desserts are small That dares not put it to the touch to gain or lose it all ~James Graham |
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@Ranior: What I have been told is that the morning-after-pill makes the lining of the uterus prone to rejecting the blastocyst from attaching itself, which I would consider abortion as the zygote/blastocyst was killed by artificial means. Note artificial, if the uterus naturally rejects the blastocysts that is a great sadness but not abortion because it was not purposefully induced. It is a miscarriage.
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Well I'm arguing to your logic so I can't use why the Church is against contraception for other reasons, because they require you to believe in God which does not pertain to your logic. I'm trying to see if I can argue this with the assumption God is not real, we'll see if I can. Again no protection is perfect not to mention other reasons as to why people don't use it (its too much effort, I prefer unprotected sex, I forgot it and didn't expect to get lucky tonight, I'm drunk/buzzed/inebriated and don't remember to use it, etc.) My question is can you see why people would be against pre-marital sex, logically, so as to prevent an unwanted pregnancy? We are only right now discussing pre-marital sex, fornication, what have you, without contraception or either participating party lacking genitalia. Last edited by Crixus33; January 31st, 2014 at 05:55 PM. Reason: tried to fix multiquotes |
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