Public Design Workshop

[MrNobody]

@A3n do you have Fatal Five drafts?

[A3n]

I do....

EMERALD EMPRESS

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NAME = EMERALD EMPRESS

SECRET IDENTITY = CERA KESH

SPECIES = VENGARAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = TELEPATH
PERSONALITY = VENGEFUL

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 6

LIFE = 7

MOVE = 4
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 4
DEFENSE = 4

POINTS = .

EYE OF EKRON
At the start of each round if the Eye of Ekron marker is not on this card you may place it back on this card. If Emerald Empress would receive one or more wounds and the Eye of Ekron marker is on this card, remove the Eye of Ekron marker and Emerald Empress receives no damage. While the Eye of Ekron marker is on this card Emerald Empress has the Super Strength and Flying Special powers. Also her move, range attack and defense values are all 7.

THAROK

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NAME = THAROK

SECRET IDENTITY = .

SPECIES = METAHUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = CRIMINAL
PERSONALITY = TREACHEROUS

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 6

MOVE = 6
RANGE = 5
ATTACK = 6
DEFENSE = 5

POINTS = .

FATAL FIVE
At the start of the game, you may choose up to 4 other Unique Heroes you control with the personality of either Vengeful or Relentless or with the class of Creature. Place a black Fatal Five Marker on the chosen figures cards. After revealing an order marker on this card and before taking a turn with Tharok, you may move up to four other heroes you control with the Fatal Five Marker on its card up to 5 spaces. After moving Tharok you may end his turn and take a turn with another hero with the Fatal Five Marker, skipping that heroes movement phase.

FATAL FIVE COORDINATED ATTACK
If Tharok attacks a figure that was attacked this round by a figure with the Fatal Five Marker, add 1 additional die to his attack this turn. If another figure you control with the Fatal Five Marker attacks the same figure Tharok attacked this round, add 1 additional die to their attack.

PERSUADER

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NAME = PERSUADER

SECRET IDENTITY = NYEUN CHUN TI

SPECIES = METAHUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = Enforcer
PERSONALITY = Relentless

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = .

MOVE = 6
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 6
DEFENSE = 5

POINTS = .

ATOMIC AXE
When attacking:
• You may add 1 to Persuaders range when attacking a figure whose base is less than 4 levels higher or lower than Persuaders base.
• If attacking an adjacent figure, that figure cannot use any special powers on their card this turn.
• If at least one skull is rolled add one additional hit to whatever is rolled.

DIMENSIONAL RIFT
Instead of moving and attacking with Persuader you may choose up to 2 adjacent friendly small, medium or large figures. Place Persuader on an empty space up to 8 spaces away and place the chosen figures on empty spaces adjacent to Persuader.

MANO

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NAME = MANO

SECRET IDENTITY = .

SPECIES = ANGTUAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = MURDERER - or CRIMINAL
PERSONALITY = VENGEFUL

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 5

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 3
DEFENSE = 3

POINTS = .

ANTI-MATTER TOUCH
Instead of attacking, you may choose one opponent's adjacent figure and roll the 20-sided die. Add one to the roll if there is a Fatal Five Marker on this card, add one to the roll for each friendly figure adjacent to Mano with a Fatal Five Marker on their Army Card. If you roll 1-15 nothing happens. If you roll 16 or higher the chosen figure receives 3 wounds.

ACROBATIC MOVEMENT
Mano never takes falling damage and is never attacked when leaving an engagement. After rolling attack dice for a normal attack or after rolling defense dice, for each shield rolled you may immediately move Mano one space up to 6 levels up or down.

VALIDUS

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NAME = VALIDUS

SECRET IDENTITY = GARRIDAN RANZZ

SPECIES = MUTATION
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = CREATURE
PERSONALITY = TREACHEROUS - or LOYAL

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 6

LIFE = 6

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 6
DEFENSE = 6

POINTS = .

PSIONIC ENERGY BOLT SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 5. Attack 5 + special.
Add one to this attack if Validus is attacking a figure adjacent to a friendly figure with the Fatal Five Marker on its Army Card. This special attack does not require clear sight. When using this Special Attack, Validus is considered to also have the class of Telepath. If at least one skull is rolled the defending figure cannot be moved by any special power on an Army Card or glyph for the remainder of this turn.

FATAL FIVE LOYALTY
If there is a Fatal Five Marker on this card, add 1 to Validus' Attack and Defense numbers.

[IAmBatman]

Solid.

[MrNobody]

Originally Posted by A3n

I do....

Awesome, thanks! It looks like you had a lot of the same ideas I did, so it's good to see I'm not totally off-base.

GENERAL THOUGHTS
-I don't really know what to do for synergy. The thing is, they're a pretty tight-knit group, so I don't really know if they should have that much open-ended synergy. Originally I thought about keying them around a Fatal personality, but that's stupid. Vengeful, Relentless, and Creature isn't that big of a pool, but I do think it would be weird to have Wolverine on their team. There have been a few member substitutions over the years though.
-One thought I had was giving them all special attacks and giving Tharok a power that keyed into those. That feels like it captures the theme of "crazy powerful cosmic criminals" but that doesn't really solve the open membership problem.
-I think what I'd go for right now, personally, is keeping them free of hard synergy but giving them lots of soft reasons to want to work together.

EMERALD EMPRESS
-Does Telepath work for her as a class? I'm honestly not sure.
-The newer Empress mini has the Eye on a separate base than can attach to hers. It would certainly be more complex, but it could be cool to treat the Eye as a DO that somehow works with the actual Empress card. Idk, just an idea.

THAROK
-I'd class him as a Cyborg and give him Cybernetic Repair X.

PERSUADER
-I dig this take. I was debating whether he should have more of the goofy "cutting metaphorical forces" stuff, but I feel like your take has a good balance on that.

MANO
-Is Mano particularly acrobatic? I remember him being fast, but not leaping all over the place.
-Should he have the Environmental Suit power? He does wear one, but I don't really think it comes into play during fights. It's just his outfit he wears.

VALIDUS
-Here's what I had;

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NAME = VALIDUS
SECRET IDENTITY = GARRIDAN RANZZ

SPECIES = MUTATION?
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = BRUTE?
PERSONALITY = SIMPLE

SIZE/HEIGHT = HUGE ?

LIFE = 8

MOVE = 6
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 8
DEFENSE = 8

POINTS = ???

TELEPATHIC LIGHTNING SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 5. Attack 4.
If an opponent's Unique Hero receives at least two wounds from Telepathic Energy Bolts Special Attack, you may remove one unrevealed Order Marker at random from that Unique Hero's Army Card. Figures with the Mental Shield special power are not affected by Telepathic Energy Bolts Special Attack.

GIGANTIC REACH
Validus may add 1 to his range when attacking a figure whose base is no more than 6 levels higher than his height or 6 levels lower than his base.

WEAK-MINDED MONSTER 6
If any player rolls the 20-sided die to take temporary or permanent control of Validus, that player may add 6 to the roll. Whenever a special power on an Army Card or glyph refers to the Mental Shield special power, it refers to this special power as well.

SUPER STRENGTH

-OM removal makes sense to me as a mechanic for a Legion enemy.
-I think his attack/defense should be really high. He's at least Kryptonian level.

[MrNobody]

NAME = EMERALD EMPRESS
SECRET IDENTITY = SARYA

SPECIES = VENGARAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = SCOURGE
PERSONALITY = VENGEFUL

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 7

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 7
DEFENSE = 7

POINTS = ~400

EMERALD EYE OF EKRON
Start the game with the green Eye Marker on this card. At the start of each round if the Eye Marker is not on this card you may place it back on this card. If the Eye Marker is not on this card, subtract 4 from Emerald Empress’ Attack and Defense values and she may not use any other powers on this Army Card. If Emerald Empress would receive one or more wounds and the Eye Marker is on this card, remove the Eye Marker and Emerald Empress receives no damage.

EMERALD ENERGY BLAST SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 7. Attack 8 + Special.
Subtract one die from this special attack for each space between Emerald Empress and the defending figure.

FATAL FIVE LEADERSHIP
All other [Fatal Five Members] you control move one additional space.

SUPER STRENGTH

FLYING

[IAmBatman]

Interesting draft.

For the special attack, I think you want 8 + Special there.

For the last power, I'm guessing the [Fatal Five] is a placeholder until you figure out how to group them?

[MrNobody]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Interesting draft.

It's mostly A3n's work, just edited a little bit.

For the special attack, I think you want 8 + Special there.

Good point. Consider it edited.

For the last power, I'm guessing the [Fatal Five] is a placeholder until you figure out how to group them?

Yeah that's the plan.

I'm coming around to A3n's system, but I'd probably change it to key off personalities (Vengeful, Relentless, Angry?) or classes (Criminal, Scourge, Creature?)

I'm not sure it's entirely correct that they lose their movement boost if the eye is depowered, but I think you can justify it as a loss of motivation/inspiration.

[IAmBatman]

Or distraction, maybe? Eye's lost, they get caught rubbernecking.

[MrNobody]

NAME = THAROK
SECRET IDENTITY = N/A

SPECIES = ZADRONIAN/CYBORG
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = CRIMINAL
PERSONALITY = TREACHEROUS

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM ?

LIFE = 5

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 5
DEFENSE = 5

POINTS = ~250?

FATAL STRATEGIST
At the start of the game, place a yellow Fatal Five Marker on Tharok and up to 4 other figures you control that have the class of Criminal, Creature, or Scourge. After revealing an Order Marker on this card and instead of taking a turn with Tharok, you may take a turn with up to 3 figures you control with a Fatal Five Marker on their card. Tharok may be one of the chosen figures. During these turns, those figures may not move and can only attack with special attacks.

CYBERNETIC ARMAMENTS SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 1 + Special. Attack 4 + Special.
Before attacking with this special attack, choose one of the following effects, or remove an ‘X’ Order Marker from this card to choose both of the following effects:

• add 4 to the Range of this special attack; or
• add 2 to the Attack of this special attack.

CYBERNETIC REPAIR X
At the end of the round, if you reveal an "X" Order Marker on this card, remove one Wound Marker from each Army Card you control with the Cybernetic Repair X special power.

SUPER STRENGTH

So here's what I'm thinking for Tharok. He'd be the main synergy hub for the F5 but other than that he's not too crazy.

For a vague distribution of points, here's what I'm thinking;
Emerald Empress: 380
Validus: 420
Persuader: 290
Mano: 260
Tharok: 250
Total: 1600

[MrNobody]

NAME = NIGHT THRASHER
SECRET IDENTITY = DWAYNE TAYLOR

SPECIES = HUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = CRIME FIGHTER
PERSONALITY = DEDICATED

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 4

MOVE = 7
RANGE = 5
ATTACK = 4
DEFENSE = 5

POINTS = ???

NEW WARRIORS A
At the start of the game, choose a personality. After revealing an Order Marker on the card of a Crime Fighter you control and taking a turn with that Crime Fighter, you may take a turn with another Crime Fighter you control that is either Dedicated or has your chosen personality, and you may not take any additional turns with other figures you control.

NEW WARRIORS B
After revealing an Order Marker on the card of a Crime Fighter you control and taking a turn with that Crime Fighter, you may reveal an Order Marker on another Crime Fighter you control to take a turn with that figure, and you may not take any additional turns with other figures you control.

ESCRIMA ASSAULT SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 1. Attack 3.
Choose up to two figures to attack. Roll 3 attack dice once for all affected figures. Each figure rolls defense dice separately. After attacking with this special attack, Night Thrasher may attack with this special attack one additional time.

BULLETPROOF SUIT
If a non-adjacent figure targets Night Thrasher for an attack and rolls 2 or fewer skulls, you may ignore that attack.

Taking a break from the F5 for a second, New Warriors is another item that's on my C3G bucket list, and we already have 1/3 of the OG team (Speedball, Firestar) and a few of the later members/allies (Notably Ben Reilly and Dagger as Crime Fighters)

I have 2 versions of a New Warriors power listed here, just because I couldn't pick between the two.

Version A is designed to make Night Thrasher want to play with his thematic New Warriors allies. I think the OG team could all be fit into the boxes of either Dedicated or Reckless, but you could also try a personality other than Reckless if you wanted to bring in some of their other allies.

Version B is more about capturing the youthful "Heroes for the 90's" feel of the team with mechanics similar to the TMNT. However, it wouldn't really keep Dwayne here from wanting to pick Spidey or Blue Beetle over his thematic teammates.

[johnny139]

That's a cool take - like the reuse on his "workhorse" powers.

I like that the New Warriors we have so far are mostly Crime Fighters so I think it would be cool to just key in on that. I like the personality stuff - I think you're right to key into Reckless and Dedicated, that's the New Warriors to a T - but I think keeping it a lighter touch would work. So like a middle ground between those two... maybe this?

NEW WARRIORS
After revealing an Order Marker on the card of a Crime Fighter you control and taking a turn with that Crime Fighter, you may remove an Order Marker from the card of another Crime Fighter you control to take a turn with that figure, adding 1 to its Attack number if it has a Reckless personality. You may not take any additional turns with other figures you control.

And to rope in Dedicated... maybe put this on a Justice card? I tweaked the New Warriors power above to REMOVE OMs from the Crime Fighters taking a turn, so you can activate Reckless figures without messing up the solidarity.

DEDICATED SOLIDARITY
As long as all of your revealed Order Markers are on Unique Dedicated Heroes, they add 1 to their Defense numbers.

That could be really cool - I've wanted to bring in the New Warriors for a long time but never had a good starting point. The TMNT style bonding is perfect for them. Good call!

[Yodaking]

Personally I'd just go with the 2nd one. Those who really want to play the thematically correct team can do so, and you can try to encourage that by having the team form up at a team point level (800, 1000, 1200). Everyone else can still use the figures in randomly constructed armies featuring crime fighters.