The Book of Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) (II)

[Arkham]

Anywhere between the 280-340 range seems appropriate for this approach/power set. No real preference other than making sure he’s fun and a good draft. Hard to say where he falls on the calculator thus far, but I think making him higher point wise than Fate I would probably best to still keep that one viable, as I ultimately agree with LV’s assessment of Fate I not being worth taking outside of start zone bombing shenanigans. So aiming for 310-340 would likely be ideal.

[Arkham]

Another option that may make it a bit more worth it instead of attacking:

D:

TWIST OF FATE
Instead of attacking with Doctor Fate, you may roll 5 combat dice. For each blank rolled, you may move a Wound Marker from the Army Card of a figure within 5 clear sight spaces of Doctor Fate to the Army Card of any other figure within 5 clear sight spaces of Doctor Fate.

This would make it not as good at straight auto-wounding in a 1-1 encounter, but it does make each blank get the benefit of both healing a figure and wounding a figure, rather than one or the other. May make it more appealing to give up an attack to attempt.

Also, not that I’m pushing for a 4th power, but I did have this short and simple power idea for him that could be cool:

KNOWLEDGE OF NABU
At the start of the game, roll a 20-sided die. Once per game, after a player rolls the 20-sided die, you may choose for that player to use this result instead.

Roll low? Tank an opponent’s initiative or special power roll. Roll high? Guarantee a success instead of a failure on a special power or initiative.

[IAmBatman]

Fwiw the current version seems powerful to me and I'd use it all the time.

That Knowledge of Nabu (as a start of each round power, potentially) would be a cool one to put on an Event Hero Nabu/Fate.

[MrNobody]

I’d worry about the once per round really damaging Constantine’s usefulness in his own faction.

[Arkham]

@LordVenoc seemed unsatisfied, so I guess we’ll see what he prefers.

[IAmBatman]

That said, the current version is probably around 250 on the calculator, so if you're looking for 310-340 he might be coming in a bit light.

What if that first power stayed as is but rolled 7 dice? Too much upside?

[Arkham]

A lot of us brainstormed some changes to make the design a bit more unique and interesting. These are those changes. *law and order sound*

TWIST OF FATE
At the start of the game, roll a 20-sided die and place the result on this card. After a player rolls the 20-sided die, you may immediately remove an unrevealed Order Marker from this card to swap that player's rolled 20-sided die with the 20-sided die on this card. After swapping the 20-sided dice, that player must use that result instead.

MYSTICAL ORDER
Instead of moving normally, you may roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 15 or higher, choose up to 5 figures within 5 clear sight spaces of Doctor Fate. Re-organize the Wound Markers on all chosen figures' Army Cards until each chosen figure has no more than one more Wound Marker than any other chosen figure.

MAGICAL DEFENSE
When Doctor Fate is attacked by an opponent's figure that does not have the Magical Defense special power, the most wounds Doctor Fate can take for this attack is one.

[IAmBatman]

Some wording that can be ironed out still on the first two powers (Mystical Order is still missing a second "more" in its last sentence) but I dig the overall direction. Twist of Fate is a pretty cool continuing effect. And I like how Mystical Order "restores order and balance" to the game.

[tcglkn]

I like Twist of Fate a lot. Both good for you and bad for your opponent.

[Yodaking]

I was about to suggest something like B before seeing you had already posted up that idea, so I'd vote B. With him being able to trade the X for a blank, and Zatanna II able to potentially change one die to a blank, you could be moving 3W in 1 use if you roll 1 blank naturally. So the limit 1W per figure limitation makes that seem like it could be balanced.

[johnny139]

I like where this one landed - he's going to be very impactful but testing will bear out just how valuable he is. Champion wouldn't be my first choice for class but I do get the logic in tying him into the larger Justice League super-web, so I can't complain.

[Arkham]

COMPETITIVE REVIEW BOARD CHECKLIST

Spoiler Alert!

Efficiency- Check to see if your design is providing armies with turns/moves/etc. to a degree that would make it difficult or impossible for an opponent to keep up with your output.

1. Does your design allow itself or figures to move/attack/take a turn/etc. instead of/in addition to your normal turn for revealing an Order Marker? Is it granting these benefits to too broad a range of units? Does it combine with other powers to create overly long or powerful chains of actions?

No.

2. Does your design allow you to take actions during an opponent's turn? Can it combine with other powers to create tediously long reactions to enemy actions or a restrictive environment?

No.

3. Does your design allow you to rearrange your Order Markers or otherwise bypass the costs of Order Marker requirements on the special powers of other figures?

No.

4. Is your design doing anything outside of a player's turn, at the start or end of the round? Is the effect too powerful by itself or when combined with other powers?

No.

5. Does your design have any powers that trigger anytime it moves as opposed to only when it moves normally on its turn? Will it be too efficient when combined with figures that grant extra moves to figures?

No.

6. Is your design adding or subtracting from initiative rolls? Will it pair too easily with other figures that alter initiative or have powers triggering on the results of initiative rolls?

Can swap the d20 that’s rolled, so possibly decent but costs an OM. Just something to watch.

Potency- Check to see if your design is wounding/removing/etc. enemy figures, increasing the chances of other figures in your army doing so, or otherwise directly effecting the number of figures available to players to a degree that would make it difficult or impossible for an opponent to recover from.

1. Does your design have a chance to inflict wounds or destroy figures? Is it getting these chances too frequently or having too high a chance of success? Is the power balanced against expensive targets that can cause a massive swing in the game when destroyed?

He can re-arrange wounds, but measures have been taken to not be too crazy. How often and how successful are things to test.

2. Is your design adding to the stats or 20-sided die rolls of other figures in your army? Is it a boosting a broad enough range of units effectively enough to become a 'mandatory' draft or inhibit future design space? Can it be combined with other boosts too easily?

Can swap the d20 roll at the cost of an OM. Unlikely a mandatory draft for d20 rollers, but a nice pairing is likely.

3. Will your design benefit from stat boosts or other enhancement to an overpowering degree? Will it restrict future growth within its faction or point cost by limiting available boosts to others?

No.

4. Does your design take control of enemy figures permanently or temporarily? Is it too difficult to for your opponent to regain control of their figure or recover from the losing the figure? Does the method of taking control expose the enemy figure to the powers of other figures in your army that can easily destroy it?

No.

5. Can your design heal itself or others or revive itself or others? Is it doing so in a way that an opponent cannot hope to overcome in certain scenarios?

Heal others by spreading wounds yes. Shouldn’t be too overwhelming to overcome as he won’t be able to fully heal not fully destroy by using it.

6. Does your design place enemy figures on its card or otherwise have an unconventional method of temporarily removing enemy figures from play? Will it guarantee your victory against a single remaining enemy figure?

No.

Chicanery- Check to see if your design is preventing your opponent from taking actions with too much ease or is otherwise causing negative play experience through tactics that make your opponent feel you're 'not playing fair'

1. Does your design restrict the movement of enemy figures, or allow you to move enemy figures? Can it do so in a way that results in an unwinnable scenario for your opponent if they are down to one figure, posses only figures with a range of 1, etc.? Can your design easily combine with other figures to greatly impede enemy figures or otherwise gain an excessive advantage?

No.

2. Does your design effect/change the placement of an enemy's Order Markers, or remove their Order Markers entirely? Can it force Order Markers to go onto cards that have no figures on the battlefield? Can your design easily combine with other figures to completely dictate the placement of an enemy's Order Markers or remove all of their Order Markers?

No.

3. Does your design inhibit your opponent from attacking your figures or make attacking a losing proposition? Are there scenarios or combinations that make your opponent totally unable to harm your figures through attacking?

No.

4. Does your design directly negate the powers of enemy figures or otherwise ignore them in a way that can completely disrupt the opponent's strategy or leave them feeling like they are stuck playing figures without special powers?

No.

5. Does your design become overly powerful in a podded group of figures, or provide significant benefit to your army without leaving your Start Zone?

No.

6. You can attack your own figures in Heroscape, does your design have any powers that will trigger off of doing so or otherwise wounding/destroying your own figures? Is this intentional on your part? Will the design be too efficient or potent when doing so?

No.

CONSISTENCY CHECKLIST (SHORT FORM)

Spoiler Alert!

Consistency Concerns
Name and Identity
Verify character is named in a way that is clear, accurate and feels consistent with the way other characters are named.

Yep

Uniqueness and Type
Verify that the power text reflects the listed uniqueness and type, that the uniqueness fits the character, and that squad size is listed for squads.

Yep.

Left Box
If the character's species, class or personality is reused, verify that the character feels thematically consistent with other figures that have that species, class or personality. If they are not reused, verify that there is no pre-existing species, class or personality that would make more sense.

Yep

Size and Height
Verify that the listed size and height are accurate. Standing the mini up next to a stack of tiles, and a few other minis of various sizes, is encouraged.

Yep

Super Strength and Flying
Verify that these special powers are present if they make sense, and not if they don't.

Yep

New Powers - Names
Verify that any new powers are not using power names identical to, or very similar to, pre-existing powers. Verify that any new powers are actually new and not old powers with new names.

Yep

New Powers - Effects
Verify that the effect and timing of all new powers is clear. Verify that any logical immunities, benefits, or weaknesses (whether those be necessary for thematic or mechanical reasons) are implemented: consider whether defensive powers that work against normal attacks should also work against special attacks, whether or not a power has an elemental component that some figures should resist, and whether or not unliving figures (such as Undead and Androids) should be affected.

Yep

Reused Powers
Verify that the design is reusing powers in place of creating new ones, where reused powers could implement the same theme and mechanics with no differences or only trivial differences. Verify that any reused powers have the correct text.

Yep.

Power Level
Verify that the character's movement, attack, range, and defense (in conjunction with any special powers that enhance those stats) feel consistent with the capabilities of characters with analogous powers and abilities. Verify that the character falls into a similar point range to characters with comparative powers and abilities.

Yep