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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
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Imposing Threat doesn't really bother me as a name very much, although I agree with superfrog that Dalmar doesn't exactly come across as a threat. Bulwark is a fine replacement as far as I'm concerned. Proud Member of Platyfly!
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
to review Great Axes of Ironstone and Dalmar Stonewall. I think these are good mechanical designs, but I don't see them getting through the process without a rejection on power names and slight thematic inconsistencies. Should a power based on being inspired by the sight of allies in battle be called "tactical" or "strategic" at all, when that isn't quite the theme it's supposed to be invoking?
Basically, I hope to see these designs again in a short while with some small tweaks to their text and theme. I would rather send them back for this now than have it happen a couple months down the line. |
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I don't like the dwarves. I don't think most of the power names fit their respective themes or the themes (to the extent there are any) of the designs, and two of the four minis look like they are supposed to be some kind of dwarf-like monsters.
Nobody asked me. Just making my little points. What about a dwarf hero suggests "Imposing Threat"? How is "Tenacity" an offense power? |
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Is that the minis? Or a mock up? What’s the scale?
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
Ooh, much better than they look on the card. The minis are good. Power names still unconnected from the powers and the minis, though.
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I have to say, being stuck at work, where I can't reply, when everyone finally starts replying, is really kind of painful.
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I think I'll go with Bulwark then. Quote:
I originally called it "Charge into Battle" but was told that name was unthematic because it didn't require the dwarves to end their movement engaged. I changed it to Strategic Charge, because it is a movement buff that is used strategically based on the situation. The theme is not reinforcements, it's strategy. When they are close enough to see the battle, they are motivated to move more quickly towards whatever needs to be done. Quote:
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He's a threat because he's a hero. Heros are a bigger threat than the squaddies. Regardless, I've already decided to change the name. I'm going with Bulwark, I think it's a pretty thematic name personally, but I am open to suggestions. I'm honestly a little confused. Is my understanding of the meaning behind tenacity wrong? To be tenacious, is to be determined, or persistent, or resilient, and more. What about it says that it isn't useful in an offensive manner? If you are determined/persistent/resilient, does that only extend to surviving? Can it not extend to attacking as well? My Custom Designs.
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Tenacity doesn't feel like it represents Tenacity to me. Tenacity isn't doing better when you're already doing well - it's battling through and not giving up if you're doing poorly. Rather than an extra skull/shield if you roll 2 or more, an extra one if you roll 1 or less feels more thematic to me.
I don't aggree that Tenacity should only be represented defensively - I think it can be represented offensively too - but it should feel more like them not giving up and reliably keeping going rather than a swingy 'rich get richer' type thing. |
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I think that’s fair. But I do believe that these powers do not sound like what they do. Neither Tenacity nor Imposing.
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To me tenacity meant that they would so determined that they would push themselves to be better. A figure has 7 defense? Well they'll push their attack to it's limit and get 4 skulls despite only having 3 attack stats to try and over come that. Even in the face of 4 skulls, and with only 3 defense stats, they would go further beyond, and get 4 shields. Alright, Tenacity doesn't fit. No one seems to be bothered mechanically, so I just need a different name. I am open to suggestions, but here's a few ideas; Relentless, Unyielding, Steadfast, Dauntless, Intrepid, Defiant, Stouthearted... What are everyone's thoughts on this? My Custom Designs.
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
There is too much workshopping going on here at this point, but I'll throw in my comments.
Head canon doesn't always translate. Even if something can be explained away, that doesn't mean that's how it should exist on a card. Most people who would use a unit don't get the explanation with it. A custom should strive to tell its own story, not be dependent on one. As others have noted, a Tenacity power would be something that strives on through failure, not adding to success. A bonus skull would be something like "Mighty Blow" or "Splitting Strike," where a bonus shield power would be "Bulwark" or "Concentrated Defense." Together in one power... erg... "Overdoing It" maybe. "Because he's a hero" doesn't cut it to explain Imposing Threat. Heroscape is full of Heroes, many of which (including some other Dwarves) that are more imposing this this fellow. Also, such an ability would naturally make it harder to attack Dalmar, not other things that are not imposing. It just doesn't fit with the rest of the game. Not the name, not the theme. "Bulwark" doesn't work either, because that word suggests his own toughness, whereas the power is one that protects others. It has to be some sort of distraction ability, like Taunt. Being limited to small/medium Commons breaks the general theme of such an ability, though. It makes it feel like a leadership sort of ability where he is protective of the people under him. "Lead from the Front" or something. |
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