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Genres in Heroscape: A Study Revisited - now through D3

A while ago now, I did a study of Heroscape genres: A Study in HS Unit Genres: Or, where is the Sci-Fi love? With the new units coming out (and noticing that even Wave 8 wasn't in my last study), and because people had been visiting and commenting on my old thread, I decided to revise that work.

As before, I am using a simplified three genre approach (going back to teekay's work and others). As I stated in the last thread, I believe that a genre like Horror is actually more of a sub- or meta- genre, in that Horror has a locating genre (i.e. Horror can cross any period and is generally more a mood than a type--you can watch a sci-fi horror film or a modern one or a fantasy one, etc.).

Note: I often used the planet of origin to decide difficult choices. Vipers are unclear, but coming from Marr, where we have the clearly sci-fi influenced Marro Warriors and gun-toting Gorillinators, I decided they fit within a "alien race of snakes" category. In a simliar way, Valguard is tough (with his alien arm), but his origin is Earth and thus he fits into a roughly historical mode (his arm becomes like Drake's Katana, an addition to him after the fact, not part of his origin). Once on Valhalla all units are "Fantasy" in a regard.

I will admit that I'm not so tech-saavy as I'd like to be, but I hope this post comes through looking right. And I hope it serves some value for someone else; though, if I'm the only one who is interested in it, I'll be okay with that, too .

Rise of the Valkrie
Agent Carr | Sci-Fi
Airborne Elite | Historical
Deathwalker 9000 | Sci-Fi
Finn the Viking Champion | Historical
Grimnak | Fantasy
Izumi Samurai | Historical
Krav Maga Agents | Sci-Fi
Marro Warriors | Sci-Fi
Mimring | Fantasy
Ne-Gok-Sa | Sci-Fi
Raelin the Kyrie Warrior | Fantasy
Sgt. Drake Alexander | Historical
Syvarris | Fantasy
Tarn Viking Warriors | Historical
Thorgrim the Viking Champion | Historical
Zettian Guards | Sci-Fi

4 Fantasy
6 Historical
6 Sci-Fi

Mallidon's Prophecy
Arrow Gruts | Fantasy
Blade Gruts | Fantasy
Kelda the Kyrie Warrior | Fantasy
Marcus Decimus Gallus | Historical
Omicron Snipers | Sci-Fi
Roman Archers | Historical
Roman Legionnaires | Historical
Taelord the Kyrie Warrior | Fantasy
Tornak | Fantasy
Venoc Vipers | Sci-Fi
Venoc Warlord | Sci-Fi

5 Fantasy
3 Historical
3 Sci-Fi

Utgar's Rage
4th Massachusetts Line | Historical
Anubian Wolves | Fantasy
Khosumet the Darklord | Fantasy
Knights of Weston | Historical
Krug | Fantasy
Marro Drones | Sci-Fi
Me-Burq-Sa | Sci-Fi
Minions of Utgar | Fantasy
Sir Denrick | Historical
Swog Rider | Fantasy

5 Fantasy
3 Historical
2 Sci-Fi

Jandar's Oath
Alastair MacDirk | Historical
Concan the Kyrie Warrior | Fantasy
Deathwalker 7000 | Sci-Fi
Gorillanators | Sci-Fi
Johnny 'Shotgun' Sullivan | Historical
MacDirk Warriors | Historical
Marrden Hounds | Sci-Fi
Microcorp Agents | Sci-Fi
Saylind the Kyrie Warrior | Fantasy
Sentinels of Jandar | Fantasy
Shaolin Monks | Historical

3 Fantasy
4 Historical
4 Sci-Fi

Zanafor's Discovery
Armoc Vipers | Sci-Fi
Aubrien Archers | Fantasy
Deadeye Dan | Historical
Gladiatrons | Sci-Fi
Guilty McCreech | Historical
James Murphy | Historical
Major X17 | Sci-Fi
Morsbane | Fantasy
Parmenio | Historical
Sacred Band | Historical
Sudema | Fantasy
Tagawa Samurai | Historical
Valguard | Historical

3 Fantasy
7 Historical
3 Sci-Fi

Thora's Vengeance
Blastatrons | Sci-Fi
Crixus | Historical
Deathreavers | Sci-Fi
Deathstalkers | Sci-Fi
Kozuke Samurai | Historical
Nakita Agents | Sci-Fi
Ninjas of the Northern Wind | Historical
Retiarius | Historical
Spartacus | Historical
Warriors of Ashra | Fantasy

1 Fantasy
5 Historical
4 Sci-Fi

Dawn of Darkness
Einar Imperium | Fantasy
Eldgrim Viking Champion | Historical
Empress Kiova | Fantasy
Heavy Gruts | Fantasy
Kaemon Awa | Historical
Kee-Mo-Shi | Sci-Fi
Runa | Fantasy
Shades of Bleakwood | Fantasy
Tagawa Samurai Archers | Historical
Zombies of Morindan | Fantasy

6 Fantasy
3 Historical
1 Sci-Fi

Fields of Valor
Ashigaru Harquebus | Historical
Ashigaru Yari | Historical
Cyprien Esenwein | Fantasy
Isamu | Sci-Fi
Iskra Esenwein | Fantasy
Kyntela Gwyn | Fantasy
Marcu Esenwein | Fantasy
Retchets of Bogdan | Fantasy
Sonya Esewein | Fantasy
Templar Cavalry | Historical
Warden 816 | Sci-Fi

6 Fantasy
3 Historical
2 Sci-Fi

Defenders of Kinsland
10th Regiment | Historical
Arkmer | Fantasy
Chardris | Fantasy
Emirroon | Fantasy
Grok Riders | Sci-Fi
Johrdawn | Fantasy
Kato Katsuro | Historical
Moriko | Historical
Otonashi | Historical
Sir Dupuis | Historical
Ulginesh | Fantasy
Wolves of Badru | Fantasy

6 Fantasy
5 Historical
1 Sci-Fi

Blackmoon's Siege
Atlaga | Fantasy
Axegrinders of Burning Forge | Fantasy
Brave Arrow | Historical
Capuan Gladiators | Historical
Kumiko | Historical
Marro Dividers | Sci-Fi
Migol Ironwill | Fantasy
Mohican River Tribe | Historical
Omnicron Repulsors | Sci-Fi
Protectors | Fantasy
Tul-Bak-Ra | Sci-Fi

4 Fantasy
4 Historical
3 Sci-Fi

Valkrill’s Gambit

Quasatch Hunters | Fantasy
Granite Guardians | Fantasy
(Blastatrons | Sci-Fi )
(Deathreavers | Sci-Fi )
(Deathstalkers | Sci-Fi )
(Elite Onyx Vipers | Sci-Fi )
(Nakita Agents | Sci-Fi )
(Nerak the Glacian Swog Rider | Fantasy )
(Sir Hawthorne | Historical )
(Warriors of Ashra | Fantasy )

2 Fantasy (4)
0 Historical (1)
0 Sci-Fi (5)

Champions of the Forgotten Realms (D1)

Mogrimm Forgehammer | Fantasy
Brandis Skyhunter | Fantasy
Sharwin Wildborn | Fantasy
Estivara | Fantasy
Torin | Fantasy
Fen Hydra | Fantasy
Phantom Knights | Fantasy
Sahuagin Raider | Fantasy
Wyvern | Fantasy
Air Elemental | Fantasy
Water Elemental | Fantasy
Earth Elemental | Fantasy
Fire Elemental | Fantasy
Greenscale Warriors | Fantasy
Greater Ice Elemental | Fantasy
Drow Chainfighter | Fantasy

16 Fantasy
0 Historical
0 Sci-Fi

Warriors of Eberron (D2)

Shurrak | Fantasy
Mika Connour | Fantasy
Heirloom | Fantasy
Rhogar Dragonspine | Fantasy
Kurrok | Fantasy
Red Wyrmling | Fantasy
Blue Wyrmling | Fantasy
Black Wyrmling | Fantasy
White Wyrmling | Fantasy
Iron Golem | Fantasy
Warforged Soldiers | Fantasy
Mind Flayer Mastermind | Fantasy
Werewolf Lord | Fantasy
Ogre Warhulk | Fantasy
Goblin Cutters | Fantasy

15 Fantasy
0 Historical
0 Sci-Fi

Moltenclaw's Invastion (D3)

Horned Skull Brutes | Fantasy
Death Chasers of Thesk | Fantasy
Ogre Pulverizer | Fantasy
Mezzodemon Warmongers | Fantasy
Death Knights of Valkrill | Fantasy
Frost Giant of Morh | Fantasy
Ice Troll Berserker | Fantasy
Master of the Hunt | Fantasy
Frostrager Evar Scarcarver | Fantasy
Eltahale, the Goliath Warden | Fantasy
Siege, the Warforged Juggernaut | Fantasy
Moltenclaw | Fantasy

12 Fantasy
0 Historical
0 Sci-Fi

Orm's Return

Brunak | Fantasy
Charos | Fantasy
Deathwalker 8000 | Sci-Fi
DŁnd | Fantasy
Su-Bak-Na | Sci-Fi

3 Fantasy
0 Historical
2 Sci-Fi

Raknar's Vision
Braxus | Fantasy
Jotun | Fantasy
Major Q9 | Sci-Fi
Nilfheim | Fantasy
Theracus | Fantasy

4 Fantasy
0 Historical
1 Sci-Fi

Aquilla's Alliance
Gorei-Oni | Fantasy
Sujoah | Fantasy
Wo-Sa-Ga | Sci-Fi
Zelrig | Fantasy
Zetacron | Sci-Fi

3 Fantasy
0 Historical
2 Sci-Fi

Crest of the Valkrie
Acolarh | Fantasy
Hatamoto Taro | Historical
Laglor | Sci-Fi
Ornak | Fantasy
Sir Gilbert | Historical

2 Fantasy
2 Historical
1 Sci-Fi

Swarm of the Marro
Major Q10 | Sci-Fi
Marrden Nagrubs | Sci-Fi
Marro Drudge | Sci-Fi
Marro Hive | Sci-Fi
Marro Stingers | Sci-Fi
Raelin Kyrie Warrior | Fantasy
Sgt. Drake Alexander | Historical
Shiori | Historical
Sonlen | Fantasy
Tor-Kul-Na | Sci-Fi

2 Fantasy
2 Historical
6 Sci-Fi

Battle for the Underdark

Ana Karithon | Fantasy
Darrak Ambershard | Fantasy
Erevan Sunshadow | Fantasy
Tandros Kreel | Fantasy
Othkurik| Fantasy
Pelloth | Fantasy
Deepwyrm Drow | Fantasy
Feral Troll | Fantasy

8 Fantasy
0 Historical
0 Sci-Fi

Others
Agent Skahen | Sci-Fi
Dumutef Guard | Fantasy
Dzu-Teh | Fantasy
Elite Onyx Vipers | Sci-Fi
Fyorlag Spiders | Fantasy
Master Win Chiu Woo | Historical
Nerak the Glacian Swog Rider | Fantasy
Obsidian Guards | Fantasy
Samuel Brown | Historical
Sir Hawthorne | Historical

5 Fantasy
3 Historical
2 Sci-Fi

Totals
Historical 50
Fantasy 115
Sci-Fi 43

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Re: Genres in Heroscape: A Study Revisited

A few notes on the post above (it was too big already!):

The newest wave (Wave 9) is one of the most carefully balanced that we've had (only Wave 3 rivals it). Many of the other waves seem to emphasize one type more than others.

Large expansions (which Walmart calls "Dragon Exp.") have yet to include a "Historical" unit (where is that Elephant Rider!?).

The game, as before, still tends toward Fantasy over other genres, with Sci-Fi getting the least attention (though Sci-Fi clearly has its stand out units). However, the Master Sets have always been very kind to Sci-Fi and have actually had the smallest amounts of Fantasy units as well.

The Large Terrain Expansions appropriately always include Fantasy units (natives of Valhalla all, I believe, except for the Dumutef Guard). Valhalla is a Fantasy setting, more than anything else, with magic the dominate domain of the kyrie, not science.

When I have some time, or if someone else wants to, I'll try to get some more great graphics, as Just_A_Bill did for me last time. (As we noted in the last study, the graphics showed more clear patterns when comparing like kinds of sets (i.e. Boosters to other Boosters, Large "Dragon" Expansions to other Dragon Exp., etc.).)

If a third Master Set comes out, I will be very interested to see if it follows the rough pattern of also emphasizing Sci-Fi units.

More thoughts to come...
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Re: Genres in Heroscape: A Study Revisited

Interesting information. It would be cool to see a graph of the total amounts of different categories over time.
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Re: Genres in Heroscape: A Study Revisited

Just to let you know, the Marro Drones are swarming Krug a little on your well done list.
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Re: Genres in Heroscape: A Study Revisited

Yep, put the line start different.
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Re: Genres in Heroscape: A Study Revisited

Thanks for the heads up. The whole thing reformatted itself when I did Preview Post and I had to go back and re-lineate everything. Missed that one.

I'll see if I can work up some graphs. For now I'll borrow one of JAB's from last time, just to show one of the interesting results:



Here we have Fantasy in green, Historical in blue, and Sci-Fi in purple. Up to Wave 8 there was a clear trend away from Sci-Fi in the small boosters (though, again, with SotM being so Sci-Fi/Alien-based there was good reason). (Click the graph for a clearer picture.)
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Re: Genres in Heroscape: A Study Revisited

Very nice. You must have put a ton work into this, and the graph.

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Re: Genres in Heroscape: A Study Revisited

Alright, so now for my first original graph <fingers crossed it actually works>:



The last several waves' plateaus of Fantasy (high) and Sci-Fi (low) are finally broken with Wave 9's release. As I mention above, only W3 clusters the unit genres as closely as this wave does. (And with an odd number of units you can't get any closer. The common squads are perfectly balanced at 2 a piece, the hero pack only holds 5 units--2 Fantasy, 2 Historical, 1 Sci-Fi.)

Just a last note that when I say "Historical" I do not mean "real," but that they figures reflect a pseudo-realistic unit from Earth's own past.

EDIT: I added it below, as well, but for first time readers, let me put it here as well. Totals by genre for waves/boosters alone:

39 Fantasy
38 Historical
22 Sci-Fi

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Re: Genres in Heroscape: A Study Revisited

Continuing from my last post.

Doing a similar chart for the Master Sets doesn't yield much. The Large Expansions are pretty flat/boring as well. All the Terrain packs are pure Fantasy. All the "Dragon" packs are very similar--high Fantasy, some Sci-Fi, and no Historical.

The Flagbearers are interesting to me in that they sort of assign a "default" genre to each General.

Taro (Einar): Historical
Gilbert (Jandar): Historical
Acolarh (Ullar): Fantasy
Ornak (Utgar): Fantasy
Laglor (Vydar): Sci-Fi

For the most part these reflect a fairly general pattern in the general's armies (though each has exceptions--in some case Huge ones ...). Utgar is the closest to an exception, since the Marro are so much a part of the army, but with the Wolves, Undead, Orcs, etc., Utgar does have quite a bit of Fantasy as well.

(This distribution, of the Flagbearers, also reflects the overall emphasis on Fantasy over Historical over Sci-Fi, though, again, the genres are not clearly cut across generals.)

I am eager to see what else (I hope) Aquilla brings to this mix. Clearly, Aquilla is as much Fantasy as anything, so far, and lacks Sci-Fi altogether. But the small pockets of Sci-Fi in the other generals has grown a bit as well, with Jandar adding more bots. Could there be more Vipers for Ullar?
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Re: Genres in Heroscape: A Study Revisited

Another very interesting presentation, 1Mmirg. It might be of interest to you how I organize my cards because that seems to reflect the less than careful perceptions I have of genres. I clip similar cards together and the number of cards is somewhat dictated by the size of the plastic clips (color-coded ones of the type used to reclose chip bags).

First, note that the cards are all segregated by general (I also happen to put them in point value order, but that's another matter.)

Vyadar is all one group (and about the maximum number of cards held by a clip.

Aquilla is too, but simply because there are so few cards.

Jandar is divided into humans and non-humans.

Ullar is divided into elves and non-elves.

Einar is divided into Asian figures, non-Asian humans, and non-Asian non-humans. (This is a bit odd, I'll readily admit.)

Finally, Utgar is divided into gruts, horror, Marro, and mechanical. This does put Isamu and Hawthorne oddly into the horror group.

This isn't meant to me categorical for any purpose other than easier thematic retrieval; but it does interact with your genres in some rather interesting ways.
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Re: Genres in Heroscape: A Study Revisited

I'd love to be able to graphically see how your units come out. How relative in size are each of those clips?

I also find it interesting, going back to the previous study, that you have Horror as separate from the Marro (who many argued there are Horror figures). It would seem you have the more "Gothic" Horror units grouped together (what I would call Fantasy Horror). (Of course, my guess is that in part this may just be because the Marro are so numerous.)

My units are stored in drawers and so far each general still fits in a drawer (just barely in some cases), except Utgar. There I have separated out the Fantasy Horror figures and "mechanical" figures into one drawer, the Marro into their own drawer, and the Gruts, Minions, etc. into the last drawer.

I am always curious to hear how others separate their figures and/or cards. Thanks for sharing, Rev!
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Re: Genres in Heroscape: A Study Revisited

This should have been above, in the wave comparison chart. Here are the totals just in Waves:

39 Fantasy
38 Historical
22 Sci-Fi

As noted above, the Sci-Fi units come mostly in the Master Sets. I was surprised to see that Historical and Fantasy numbers are so close. The reason that Fantasy has so many more total, overall, is because of its dominance in Large Expansions (Heroes/Dragons and Terrain). Interesting.
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