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Re: SOV/C3V Feedback Thread
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I do agree with you that C3V can seem enigmatic and unapproachable at first--I know that when I first came back to the site a year or two ago, I had absolutely no idea where to begin with the project or how to get involved. Luckily, they have been taking some steps to improve this since I got back, such as the move to public playtesting and the return of the Public Access Member program. These are both ways for people to help out and get involved, although with the PAM not running frequently and the lack of clear incentives for playtesting, I think that each could be expanded. Quote:
If recognition is a significant appeal to playtesting, though, then perhaps we could keep a list of the playtesters that contributed to a unit in a spoiler section of the book? It's just a quick spitballed idea, but something like that might help people see that their effort is greatly appreciated. Quote:
We've tried to kickstart public design efforts in the past. The last one has pretty much lost all interest, but if you're interested in starting another one, then I'd say go for it. We'd need a different way of ensuring that the end result fits into VC's style if it isn't intended to be submitted to SoV like the Bootcamp of Valhalla was, though. I think that it's an idea worth exploring, although it'd obviously need more concrete details and structure to back it up. Proud Member of Platyfly!
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Re: SOV/C3V Feedback Thread
I personally feel no responsibility or inclination to provide feedback on personal custom threads. I'm here for collaboration and enjoy group projects that are give and take. I have no real incentive to get involved in personal custom threads of other people and no real interest in what they're doing. To me, personal custom threads, where it's about a singular designer rather than collaboration, are much more of an all take, no give situation.
That said, I realize at their best that personal custom threads do inspire collaboration and that's when customs and the process of customizing reaches its full potential. But why try to reenact that in a space that's not naturally inclined towards it when it's so easy to just do collaborative design in a project where that's the established approach? As a designer, I also never want to do a solo act again. I've been to the Promised Land and I'm not going back. C3G can be played with official Heroscape, but it's not recommended.
DISCLAIMER: C3G claims no ownership of the characters or artwork used for C3G customs. All rights for the characters belong to their respective publishers/creators. C3G cards are not intended for sale, and C3G does not authorize any party to profit from C3G cards. |
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I love looking at people's personal customs threads. I don't go rummaging through them, though. If people ask me to look, I look.
Herding these cats takes pretty much all of my 'Scapers time, but I'll make time for others. Especially for quality designers like you, LO. I just don't go through that subforum to see what people are up to. That's something the customs contests were good for. Things like the holiday contests would draw my attention. |
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It’s quiet in those parts. Not really a bad thing, it just makes the extra effort in going through someone’s designs much more important both on the commenter and the designer’s side. I don’t feel it’s really VC’s job to go boost people’s threads, or anyone else’s.
That being said, I do disagree with Bats that singular designers are all take no give. Solo or duo groups like Typhon and Sir Artorius(maybe? It’s been a long time since they were in here) and Super Bogue put out many good customs in their time. So good that when I played at one guy’s house (with his own custom rules for ‘Scape) he used a lot of their customs. Good designs should still be shared. Bad designs (like A LOT of my old stuff and maybe a lot of my new stuff ) should be shared with the hopes of it improving over time. My customs. NE Ohio Tourney - TBA SW Ohio Tourney - NHSD 550 points AotV - Colliding the minis of AotP with the world of HS. |
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Compared to a collaborative project, solo custom endeavors are much more take than give. I agree that any customs work, including much more selfish solo customs work, has something to give the community, and I'm glad it's here.
But if we're going to compare, solo customs projects are a much bigger culprit on the take versus give spectrum. C3G can be played with official Heroscape, but it's not recommended.
DISCLAIMER: C3G claims no ownership of the characters or artwork used for C3G customs. All rights for the characters belong to their respective publishers/creators. C3G cards are not intended for sale, and C3G does not authorize any party to profit from C3G cards. |
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I really wasn’t trying to compare group projects vs solo projects. I’m just defending the validity of solo designers, and point out that they aren’t bad guys who simply want oooh’s and ahhh’s or whatever. Hell, I only put competitive maps on my maps thread because I figure there’s a “market” for competitive maps with higher build requirements. Otherwise, they’d sit on my computer forever.
Sure some/a lot of designers weren’t that great, especially in wild west of customs days, but it is what it is. My customs. NE Ohio Tourney - TBA SW Ohio Tourney - NHSD 550 points AotV - Colliding the minis of AotP with the world of HS. |
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I just had a great idea for a custom project: Members of Heroscapers! That way everyone can battle it out on the game board. Fun thought, what would your personal card say??
Joking aside, in the interest of my original intention for this thread which has been somewhat lost in all the chaos of the day, let's try to accomplish something with all this discussion. For those that want change, please list a couple of the things that are easily fixable along with some things that are more of a long term goal. What would make you happy? What would make you more involved in these projects? I love the idea of incentives btw. Sometimes small gestures can go a long way in making someone feel valued. Folks that are in the custom projects, I've already seen commitments from some members to adjust some things based on feedback you agree with. If there is anything you are taking away from this discussion, please feel free to share your thoughts. Finally, all the many lurkers of this board, if you haven't done so, please make an account and make your voice heard. After all, it is the silent majority that keeps these custom projects in business. I'm old and tired and going to bed for the night. Great discussion today! |
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A really cool idea was to mention the playtesters in the books. It’d be a neat way to see who all got to contribute to testing in all these years of the C3V. Where the data is available of course.
My customs. NE Ohio Tourney - TBA SW Ohio Tourney - NHSD 550 points AotV - Colliding the minis of AotP with the world of HS. |
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I’m happy to find all that data (or at least everything I can find), and put it in the Books.
While we try to keep C3V stuff anonymous, I think that public contributions could definitely be recognized in that way. |
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I know I’m not involved with VC at all, but when I purchase the new X-Wing wave, inside each ship pack is the list of all the people involved with that ship, from designers to play testers. I think it’s really good form to publicly acknowledge the work people put in, even if it’s just in that small of a way.
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Last edited by OEAO; September 25th, 2019 at 01:37 AM. Reason: I have more feedback too, but it’s not relevant to the current conversation, and I’m tired |
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Formerly known as capsocrates -- Remixed Master Sets - challenge yourself with new terrain combinations! -- Colorado Fall 2023 Multiplayer Madness -- caps's Customs Redux - caps's multiplayer maps - caps's maps - Seagate -- Continuing Classic Heroscape: C3V SoV |
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Formerly known as capsocrates -- Remixed Master Sets - challenge yourself with new terrain combinations! -- Colorado Fall 2023 Multiplayer Madness -- caps's Customs Redux - caps's multiplayer maps - caps's maps - Seagate -- Continuing Classic Heroscape: C3V SoV |
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