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Re: The Book of Aaron Cash
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If the main pod players like Bizzaro and Jocasta get addressed to keep them from being so nasty and not fun to play against, then wouldn't that lesson the impact of figures like Aaron Cash in that build? From what I've seen, the auto-wounding defensive power figures that are tough to kill and the Master Manipulator chain are some issues that may make other figures look tougher than they otherwise would when not in those builds. Hand of fate is moving and the finger points to you ...Iron Maiden - The Wicker Man TUTORIAL FOR RE-BASING FIGURES 3hrs 43mins 32secs = 1242nd of 8808 overall - 1988 Honolulu Marathon |
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Re: The Book of Aaron Cash
I agree with Hahma. Fix Bizzaro & Jocasta first, then see how you feel about all the other figures.
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Thirded.
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I am totally fine with waiting until the other defensive figures have been addressed. That's prudent.
That said, putting the Beat Cop power in hero form offers some significant advantages in pod armies. It's a lot easier to efficiently move around a wound-soak hero than it is to move around a wound-soak squad. He's also less vulnerable to area attacks than the beat cops are. If he were 3 life and took every wound, I could still see taking him over a squad of cops at 65 points. It would be a close thing, as the "take every wound" is a significant nerf, but if I have something like Martian Manhunter it's still a pretty easy call. If he was able to hold his own against Killer Croc, that would seem to me to be an argument to raise his stats, as opposed to an argument to make him more effective as a passive defensive figure. |
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Re: The Book of Aaron Cash
C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM
NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Aaron Cash Army Test Map: Dark Dimension Units: Aaron Cash (65), GL:John Stewart (340), Valkyrie (350), Zombie (120), Vertigo (90), Green Construct:Shield (20) (985) VS Scarlet Spider (Kaine Parker, 245), Hit-Girl (135), Batgirl (Cassandra Cain, 130), Oracle (110), Robin (Damian Wayne, 80), Nite Owl (130), Huntress (170) (1000) Unit Summary: Damage: none. PRotect and Serve: 3 times used, took 5 wounds. Action Reflexes: 0 times used, 0 extra spaces moved.
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Army Test Map: Sacred Shrine Units: Aaron Cash (65), Martian Manhunter (I, 300), Red Skull (220), Angel (90) (675) VS Vulcan (450), Yukio (120), Armor (100) (670) Unit Summary: Damage: none. PRotect and Serve: 1 times used, took 2 wounds. Action Reflexes: 0 times used, 0 extra spaces moved.
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Army Test Map: Sacred Shrine Units: Aaron Cash (65), Martian Manhunter (I, 300), Red Skull (220), Angel (90) (675) VS Vulcan (450), Yukio (120), Armor (100) (670) Unit Summary: Damage: none. PRotect and Serve: 1 times used, took 2 wounds. Action Reflexes: 0 times used, 0 extra spaces moved.
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Army Test Map: Sacred Shrine Units: Aaron Cash (65), Martian Manhunter (I, 300), Red Skull (220), Angel (90) (675) VS Ms Marvel (350), Spawn (320) (670) Unit Summary: Damage: none. PRotect and Serve: 0 times used, took 0 wounds. Action Reflexes: 0 times used, 0 extra spaces moved.
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___________________________________________________________ THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: I was very hopeful that the single change would be enough to fix Cash, but we’re not there yet. There were plenty of rolls that went well for Cash’s team, but not enough for 4 wins. Cash is just very good, and pairing him with other defensive figures, particularly Valkyrie, creates a nasty pod. Unless you have reliable auto-wounds or figure movement, it’s crazy tough to beat. Dropping his Life to 3 would be the next change I’d like to see. I would not be against also raising his cost some, or adding more restrictions. ".... the Cambridge ladies do not care, above Cambridge if sometimes in its box of sky lavender and cornerless, the moon rattles like a fragment of angry candy" |
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We did debate dropping his Life to 3 when the design started. Let's go for it.
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#127
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Yeah, those tests are pretty nasty looking. I definitely support lowering his life to 3, and it might not be a bad idea to go ahead and bump his cost 10-20 points too.
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Re: The Book of Aaron Cash
Life 3 seems like the logical next step.
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I don't want to oversell those results: that army might be the nastiest thing I've come up with in C3G-land, so it winning even with nerfed Cash is no shocker. That said, I do agree that the one change was not going to be enough.
I want to note again that pumping up his usefulness when taking turns is not going to affect his metagame power at all. I note this since some of his 1v1 tests definitely get swung by a change to his life total. And as I said a while back: |
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Hand of fate is moving and the finger points to you ...Iron Maiden - The Wicker Man TUTORIAL FOR RE-BASING FIGURES 3hrs 43mins 32secs = 1242nd of 8808 overall - 1988 Honolulu Marathon |
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Based on the concerns of this guy before and after the last tests, I was just asking if a change that made Cash take the wounds, would help out. While he would still be able to only take 1 wound at times this way and not be too much different than he currently is, he would also end up taking many more wounds that could kill him, and it wouldn't be a choice to do so anymore. It would make who and when he's adjacent to be much more of an important choice, he could end up getting one-shotted like a Beat Cop. Hand of fate is moving and the finger points to you ...Iron Maiden - The Wicker Man TUTORIAL FOR RE-BASING FIGURES 3hrs 43mins 32secs = 1242nd of 8808 overall - 1988 Honolulu Marathon |
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