The Book of Nightcrawler (Kurt Darkhölme)

[johnny139]

Just as a note - the odds of rolling 17+ on a d20 is 20%, and the odds of rolling a blank on a combat die is about 16.67%. Would be a slight nerf but it'd be the same trigger as his dodge...

[Lazy Orang]

Originally Posted by johnny139

Just as a note - the odds of rolling 17+ on a d20 is 20%, and the odds of rolling a blank on a combat die is about 16.67%. Would be a slight nerf but it'd be the same trigger as his dodge...

...And actually be really quite weak. This feels like his signature power to me - I'd like it to have some oomph.

[Arkham]

Perhaps:

RUTHLESS TELEPORTATION
Each time before Nightcrawler moves with his BAMF! Teleport special power, you may choose an adjacent figure. After placing Nightcrawler with Teleport, roll 2 combat dice against the chosen figure. If 1 or more blanks were rolled, the chosen figure receives 1 wound. After inflicting a wound with this special power, if that chosen figure has only one Life remaining, you may destroy that figure.

Keep in mind, this can be done to the same figure 3 times in a row, and Nightcrawler can still attack. So although the odds of a blank out of 2 dice still isn't great, it's not exactly poor when rolling a total of 6 to succeed at 1 of them in a turn. Then the follow up attack to seal the deal. Which, if he's still coming in strong, we can always lower his attack to 4. Ruthless Teleportation should be his main draw here, so I'd rather it be the strong option here.

[Viegon]

If we really don't want to keep the D20, what about:

RUTHLESS TELEPORTATION
Each time before Nightcrawler moves with his BAMF! Teleport special power, you may choose an adjacent figure. After placing Nightcrawler with Teleport, roll an unblockable attack die against the chosen figure. After inflicting a wound with this special power, if that chosen figure has only one Life remaining, you may destroy that figure. A figure may not be chosen for Ruthless Teleportation more than once per turn. If Nightcrawler uses his Ruthless Teleportation, he cannot attack this turn.

50% chance of an autowound is really good, but limited to once-per-figure-per-turn and preventing him from attacking afterwards should keep it from getting out of control. If it's still too strong, we could also change the auto-destroy to a second unblockable attack die.

[Arkham]

That seems to be a bit underwhelming in 1 v 1 scenarios though. Choosing between a single unblockable attack die and an attack of 5 just doesn't seem all that great, IMO.

[Ronin]

I'm not concerned about power level, but isn't he pretty Wally West-y at that point?

[Arkham]

A weaker version of Wally, without the decent Special Attack, pretty much.

[Ronin]

V's last draft would make him stronger than Wally, not weaker.

[Arkham]

Originally Posted by Ronin

V's last draft would make him stronger than Wally, not weaker.

I meant overall. Wally has 12-16 movement, can choose the 3 figures that he moved through rather than having to hope they are within 3 spaces of each other to make the most out of the power, and has a Special Attack potential of 7. Sure, the auto-kill part for Nightcrawler is nice, but it's not going to be a high trigger rate. So ultimately, I'd still say Nightcrawler is a weaker version of Wally.

[Ronin]

Originally Posted by Arkham

I meant overall. Wally has 12-16 movement, can choose the 3 figures that he moved through rather than having to hope they are within 3 spaces of each other to make the most out of the power, and has a Special Attack potential of 7. Sure, the auto-kill part for Nightcrawler is nice, but it's not going to be a high trigger rate. So ultimately, I'd still say Nightcrawler is a weaker version of Wally.

I meant overall as well, but since you don't generally seem nuts about that direction, it's probably pointless to go into a big essay.

[Arkham]

I'm completely neutral on the direction currently, I'm not against Viegon's proposed direction, I'm just not entirely sold on it either. I feel we haven't quite seen the best to be suggested yet.

[Viegon]

I'm not sure why 1v1 would be an issue, the odds of him coming down to a 1v1 scenario in a normal game is pretty rare, and plenty of units don't do well in 1v1 anyways.

The Wally comparison is an interesting one, but they have plenty of differences for it not to be an issue in my opinion. Wally's autowounding is easier to use but has less potential; Nightcrawler has the chance to autowound defensively, but has less move than Wally; and most importantly, completely different synergy sets (there's really no concern of them crossing over at all).

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