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Re: The Book of Patriot - Design Phase

I'm fine going either way on the personality. "Patriotic" is fine if we want to fit him into that synergy, but he's always struck me as one of the least patriotic members of the Captain America extended family.

The Throwing Stars still don't ring a bell for me but, like I said before, I'm good with him as is.
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Re: The Book of Patriot - Design Phase

He has a non-throwable shield, so the stars was more of his weapon, but they don't get used all that often.
On another note, he is notable for being one of the only heroes to take MGH to help him hero. Now that MGH has a power should we feature it somehow here? I'd kinda like to see that replace the throwing stars, it was a much bigger deal to his teammates.

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Re: The Book of Patriot - Design Phase

I kind of like expanding on the MGM markers in C3G, but I'm not sure what kind of boost he should get here from them.
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Re: The Book of Patriot - Design Phase

I'm very strongly against doing anything with MGH here. From a character development perspective, that's sort of like giving Spider-Man a personality/class combo of Irresponsible Wrestler. In terms of actually representing the way the character works.... he doesn't actively use MGH during a fight particularly often when he is using it, and then he gets powers and hasn't used it since. And given that he actually has powers now, future appearances are presumably not going to feature him going back to MGH to get powers. It'd feel super out-of-place on his card.
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Re: The Book of Patriot - Design Phase

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I'm very strongly against doing anything with MGH here. From a character development perspective, that's sort of like giving Spider-Man a personality/class combo of Irresponsible Wrestler. In terms of actually representing the way the character works.... he doesn't actively use MGH during a fight particularly often when he is using it, and then he gets powers and hasn't used it since. And given that he actually has powers now, future appearances are presumably not going to feature him going back to MGH to get powers. It'd feel super out-of-place on his card.
Agree to disagree on this. It was his using MGH which got him into trouble. Getting into trouble landed him in the hospital. When in the hospital he needed a blood transfusion. Blood transfusion donor was his grandfather, the original Super Soldier Serum guinea pig. That's how he got his powers. Before that he faked it with MGH.

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I'm very strongly against doing anything with MGH here. From a character development perspective, that's sort of like giving Spider-Man a personality/class combo of Irresponsible Wrestler. In terms of actually representing the way the character works.... he doesn't actively use MGH during a fight particularly often when he is using it, and then he gets powers and hasn't used it since. And given that he actually has powers now, future appearances are presumably not going to feature him going back to MGH to get powers. It'd feel super out-of-place on his card.
Agree to disagree on this. It was his using MGH which got him into trouble. Getting into trouble landed him in the hospital. When in the hospital he needed a blood transfusion. Blood transfusion donor was his grandfather, the original Super Soldier Serum guinea pig. That's how he got his powers. Before that he faked it with MGH.
In timeline history...how long had he faked it before he got his real powers?

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Re: The Book of Patriot - Design Phase

I can't remember how many issues, but it was at least their first two major story arcs, maybe three. The first was protecting Iron Lad from the Avengers and their being formed. Can't remember if they went after Mr. Hyde after that, or recruited Speed. Mr. Hyde was the producer of street MGH, the final issue of that arc is when the discovered Eli was using it.

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Re: The Book of Patriot - Design Phase

The original Young Avengers book was a 6-issue arc, a 2-issue arc, and then a 4-issue arc. In the first arc, Patriot is secretly using MGH. In the second arc, the team finds out and Patriot stops using it and quits the team. In the third arc, he comes back to the team and gets legit powers via superpower blood transfusion.

Then for a while the Young Avengers didn't have an ongoing and they'd just get minis here and there, or pop up in other books. Then Young Avengers: Children's Crusade (a 9-issue Young Avengers story) came out and served as the climax for the original run of Young Avengers. Patriot retires at the end of Children's Crusade.

MGH is an important part of his origin, but it wasn't around for the majority of his career. Moving past it was an important part of Patriot's development and coming into his own, and playing MGH up on the card craps on that.
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Re: The Book of Patriot - Design Phase

It sounds like if he was to get an MGH power (which it doesn't really seem like he should to me personally), it would need to be something along the lines of Songbird where her card represents both early 'Screaming Mimi pretending to be a Hero' and later 'Actual Hero Songbird' depending on what option you pick as otherwise he'd kinda need two cards and I'm not seeing that being a thing for this dude. So like he'd have some kind of start of game power that flips him between 'MGH Junkie' and 'High on Grandpa Juice' versions. Not sure how to implement that in C3G with the current MGH power, though I suppose he doesn't really need to use the same power, just using the same markers would be good enough.


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Re: The Book of Patriot - Design Phase

Just to get this straight, he is on MGH for 8 out of 12 initial issue and you don't feel its an important part of his character? I admit that I forgot he quit, but everything I typed was straight from memory. I know that while he had quit, Kate would frequently try to talk him into coming back. Interestingly, as I recall, he also switched from full head mask to domino mask when he quit MGH. Perhaps there is a way to capture that.
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Just to get this straight, he is on MGH for 8 out of 12 initial issue and you don't feel its an important part of his character? I admit that I forgot he quit, but everything I typed was straight from memory. I know that while he had quit, Kate would frequently try to talk him into coming back. Interestingly, as I recall, he also switched from full head mask to domino mask when he quit MGH. Perhaps there is a way to capture that.
Anyone have any thoughts?
It sounded less that Ronin didn't think it was an important part of his character, and more that he thought it did a disservice to his character and story line for the C3G version to play it up when his quitting was a big deal.
My thoughts? I don't know the character, but it sounds like an equal disservice to something that sounds like a big part of his character to ignore it altogether. I'd be in favour of something like a Songbird-esque switch like @Soundwarp SG-1 mentioned, though I'm not sure how you'd implement that.


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Just to get this straight, he is on MGH for 8 out of 12 initial issue and you don't feel its an important part of his character? I admit that I forgot he quit, but everything I typed was straight from memory. I know that while he had quit, Kate would frequently try to talk him into coming back. Interestingly, as I recall, he also switched from full head mask to domino mask when he quit MGH. Perhaps there is a way to capture that.
Anyone have any thoughts?
It sounded less that Ronin didn't think it was an important part of his character, and more that he thought it did a disservice to his character and story line for the C3G version to play it up when his quitting was a big deal.


I said it was important. I just don't think that it really serves the character to include it on the card. If the design turns into Drugs Lad, I think we've lost the thread of the character.

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My thoughts? I don't know the character, but it sounds like an equal disservice to something that sounds like a big part of his character to ignore it altogether. I'd be in favour of something like a Songbird-esque switch like @Soundwarp SG-1 mentioned, though I'm not sure how you'd implement that.
Songbird was pretty simple to do that with because you can represent her character arc with a class switch, easy peasy.

I guess if you absolutely had to do it, you could do something where you choose at the start of the game whether to:
-start him with 3/3 Attack/Defense and have a mechanic for adding/removing MGH Markers to potentially beef him up to 5/5
-take away the option to beef him up with markers but have his stats at a stable 4/4

That's pretty intricate, though, and if anything on the card overtakes Rookie Tactician as the card centerpiece, we've gone astray.
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