Project Pokemon - **The Return To Greatness**

[fiddlerjones]

Originally Posted by wulfhunter667

Go ahead and repost here. I am not so sure about the Pokemon font though. Although interesting, it doesn't really add anything to the card. Plus, the MS and D&D versions maintained the normal font, so, let's stick with that.

I love the Abra card template as a way to designate type, but I'm also in favor of sticking with the original Heroscape font rather than the Pokemon one. It's more legible and easier to work with.

Wulfhunter, you seem to be sort of our de facto leader here, so would you be willing to draft a preliminary list of guidelines that we can all vote on? We should get that out of the way so we can move on to our design guidelines, then to actual card creation! Exciting stuff.

[chief]

Once you get guidelines hammered out ill join in making the cards

[wulfhunter667]

Originally Posted by fiddlerjones

I love the Abra card template as a way to designate type, but I'm also in favor of sticking with the original Heroscape font rather than the Pokemon one. It's more legible and easier to work with.

Wulfhunter, you seem to be sort of our de facto leader here, so would you be willing to draft a preliminary list of guidelines that we can all vote on? We should get that out of the way so we can move on to our design guidelines, then to actual card creation! Exciting stuff.

The preliminary version of the rules and guidelines is listed on the first page. I added the stuff I posted earlier today since no one seems to have a problem with it.
So, I need the following things. I need everyone on the list to determine their status, Trainer, Junior Trainer or Ally. I need everyone to post any last minute comments, suggestions, revisions and whatnot about the rules/guidelines posted on the front page. Finally, starting tomorrow evening, we need to vote it into place.
PLEASE WAIT UNTIL TOMORROW EVENING TO VOTE.
It is vital here to allow absolutely everyone to look at, comment on and suggest anything further. If the vote passes, we move on to hashing out the Design Phase and Card Creation.
Please read the first post carefully. It's almost last call for comments.

[Vilsara]

I'll be a Junior trainer- can't be trusted to post DAILY, but I'm going to try to help as much as possible.

Under the "Designing cards" tab, we might have to edit the process of making evolutionary lines (not doing Charizard before Charmander) once we reach a group decision of whether we're including pre-evolutions or not (especially since there seems to be a "no-evolution" mindset here, which partially derails the idea of NFE Pokemon).

Otherwise, the rules look good, and I hope another edit of the first post- with guidelines for the design- will be coming soon.

[Xn F M]

Originally Posted by wulfhunter667

Designing Cards
Each member of the core group will be responsible for creating an least one card about every 2 monthes or so, starting with the first R/B/Y 151 Pokemon. In keeping with the best interest of the project, no card may be made for an evolved form of Pokemon until the base Pokemon has been created, ie, don't try to make Charizard without making Charmander and Charmeleon first, in that order.
Voting
On any matter that has nothing to do with a card in creation or playtesting, only the Group Moderator may call for a vote. Only Trainers may call for a vote in the Design Phase. All members may call for a vote in the Playtest Phase.
When a card receives 5 votes in the Design Phase, then the card moves on to Playtest Phase. If in playtesting, the card fails to meet the requirements necessary, then the card goes back to the design phase. If the card receives a minimum of 5 successful playtests and 5 votes, then the card goes to the Finalization Phase and is ready for the final carding , Book Of and Release.
We are all working toward the same goal here, and I think, once we have this all hammered out and know what direction we're headed, it will be easy to get there. Bear in mind, you will not agree with everything someone says all the time. I know that, you know that. Just be polite about it though. If you don't like an idea and you cannot express it nicely, either PM the person directly or don't comment at all.

Playtesting Cards
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. C3G has set the standard for playtesting, so, use the format they use when playtesting found here...
http://www.heroscapers.com/community...730#post990730
The Pokemon needs to have a minimum of 3 successful playtests before moving to the finalization phase.

So are we still only going to have one card in the design phase, and one card in playtesting at a time? It looks like that language was lost and I don't know if that was on purpose or not. If we are keeping the 1 card rule, I would add a rule stating that two cards are allowed to be in development and playtesting if one of them has failed playtesting and is being redesigned.

[Warlord Alpha]

Originally Posted by fiddlerjones

I love the Abra card template as a way to designate type, but I'm also in favor of sticking with the original Heroscape font rather than the Pokemon one. It's more legible and easier to work with.

I agree. That font on the Abra card does not belong there at all.

[Xn F M]

Originally Posted by Warlord Alpha

I agree. That font on the Abra card does not belong there at all.

The font is what I really like about it though and it's why I suggested that template actually. If we want to go with a more standard template I'd say we should go with a two-tone template based on the pokemon's types.

Also I would support putting an asterisk on the first 151 rule till we hammer out whether or not we're going to be doing different evolution levels next week. *hopefully*

[BiggaBullfrog]

I'll sign myself up for a Trainer status, provided we aren't docked for not posting when we're unable to because of being out of town, taking a vacation, etc. Knowing me, though, I might end up posting on those days as well.

Originally Posted by wulfhunter667

When a card receives 5 votes in the Design Phase, then the card moves on to Playtest Phase. If in playtesting, the card fails to meet the requirements necessary, then the card goes back to the design phase. If the card receives a minimum of 5 successful playtests and 5 votes, then the card goes to the Finalization Phase and is ready for the final carding ,

Kind of nit-picky, but you might want to specify 5 positive votes for the card to move on. Also, I think that since we currently have fourteen members, we should increase the number of votes required to at least seven, unless some of us decide to go with the ally status. If we're all voting, though, I think we need at least 50%, if not more for a majority.

[wulfhunter667]

Originally Posted by BiggaBullfrog

I'll sign myself up for a Trainer status, provided we aren't docked for not posting when we're unable to because of being out of town, taking a vacation, etc. Knowing me, though, I might end up posting on those days as well.

Kind of nit-picky, but you might want to specify 5 positive votes for the card to move on. Also, I think that since we currently have fourteen members, we should increase the number of votes required to at least seven, unless some of us decide to go with the ally status. If we're all voting, though, I think we need at least 50%, if not more for a majority.

For this moment, the text is fine. 5 votes is more of a placeholder than a set number. But I will add your Status and change to a more "positive" wording.
Also, we all understand that life happens. If you are not going to be on for a bit because of whatever, just tell us, and we won't hold it against you.

[fiddlerjones]

I agree with upping the positive vote count. I'd also be ok with having multiple cards in playtesting at once. However, we should specify that only one pokemon is to be playtested at a time - test reports containing more than one in-testing card should be considered invalid.

I like the "release" idea as well. It'll be easier to get the first 151 (or less) if we break them into manageable chunks.

Put me down as Trainer for now.

[mac122]

I can live without the Pokemon font. Found it when I was doing that mock-up and wanted to try it out. As far as what borders and such, I would suggest that any interested Trainers and Jr. Trainers that have a card design proposal present it and we can bring them to a vote.

[Warlord Alpha]

Pretty big post, so i put it in spoilers.

Spoiler Alert!

Originally Posted by wulfhunter667

Since by all appearances the Pokescape thread is defunct, this thread is now the primary thread for the creation and design of Pokemon cards for the Heroscape game.

Goals for the Project Pokemon
1)The making, refining, and posting of decent quality, usable HS Pokemon cards. We are not aiming for perfection here, but they should be usable with any official Heroscape game.
2)To capture the feel of the Pokemon video games in a Heroscape environment. That means using any and all available references to the Pokemon in question to create as close to accurate a Pokemon in a Heroscape game.
3)To have any and all members of the Heroscapers.com community provide comments, suggestions and general assistance to the creation of Pokemon Heroscape cards.
4)To maintain a core group of Heroscapers.com community members as a basis for the deciding factors of these cards.

Sounds good.

Originally Posted by wulfhunter667

Rules of Project Pokemon
The rules are pretty simple. The core group has the final say on what is and what is not Project Pokemon approved. Anyone may make a suggestion, but it is up you, the core group, to vote yes or no. That applies to everything from rules changes to card creation.
Do to space limitations, only one card will be in development at a time, and one card in playtesting at a time. However, if in time we appear to be able to handle it, that may change to two and two in the future. As cards begin to get finalized, new cards can be submitted, and the "Book Of" for the finalized card should be written. New cards may only be submitted by core group members, but anyone is welcome to comment and make suggestions for a card. It is the core group, and specifically the card designer who has final say on what is and what is not appropriate for their card.
The most important rule to remember is that this is a game, nothing more, nothing less. Please try to remember that when posting. The core group of Project Pokemon are not the Overmasters Of Pokemon Heroscape Law, but a group of like-minded community members who want to mix two games they love into one. Please just keep things polite.

I definitely agree that we should only ever have one card in design and one in playtesting at any one time.

Originally Posted by wulfhunter667

Member Status
There will be 3 Member Statuses - Trainer, Junior Trainer and Ally. Trainers are the folks who are 100% participation all the time. It will be your job to create new Pokemon, comment on other cards, create the actual card, and promote the best interests of the thread. Junior Trainers and Allies are expected to comment on cards and promote the best interests of the thread. Only Trainers and Junior Trainers may vote on a matter in the thread. Currently, the members on the list on the first page need to decide their own Status. If you feel like you can be 100% about this, posting daily, keeping up with other's comments and providing excellent suggestions and recommendations, then consider yourself a Trainer. If you know that you want to help, but may not be able to respond and reply daily, then consider yourself a Junior Trainer. Anyone who to join and is willing to provide commentary, or does not want to be a full member will be an Ally.

I'll be a Trainer I guess.

Originally Posted by wulfhunter667

Designing Cards
Each member of the core group will be responsible for creating an least one card about every 2 monthes or so, starting with the first R/B/Y 151 Pokemon. In keeping with the best interest of the project, no card may be made for an evolved form of Pokemon until the base Pokemon has been created, ie, don't try to make Charizard without making Charmander and Charmeleon first, in that order.

This whole paragraph seems arbitrary. Like, the "two months or so" is a totally random value. What if there are 10 members, that means that each card has to be completed (as in, designed AND playtested) in two days. And why are we going to complete all original 151 first? Especially when a lot of people here want to focus only on fully evolved forms and skip a lot of the lower forms.

Originally Posted by wulfhunter667

Voting
On any matter that has nothing to do with a card in creation or playtesting, only the Group Moderator may call for a vote. Only Trainers may call for a vote in the Design Phase. All members may call for a vote in the Playtest Phase.
When a card receives 5 positive votes in the Design Phase, then the card moves on to Playtest Phase. If in playtesting, the card fails to meet the requirements necessary, then the card goes back to the design phase. If the card receives a minimum of 5 successful playtests and 5 positive votes, then the card goes to the Finalization Phase and is ready for the final carding , Book Of and Release.

First, the "5 positive votes in the design phase" is a totally random value. What if there are 40 members? 5 people is nothing. This needs to be a percentage, like 60% or something.

We are all working toward the same goal here, and I think, once we have this all hammered out and know what direction we're headed, it will be easy to get there. Bear in mind, you will not agree with everything someone says all the time. I know that, you know that. Just be polite about it though. If you don't like an idea and you cannot express it nicely, either PM the person directly or don't comment at all.

Why is this part even in the Voting section, it doesn't really have much to do with that at all.

Originally Posted by wulfhunter667

Design Order
Design order will go right down the list after we have the Trainers and Junior Trainers seperated. If a Trainer misses 2 consecutive turns to design, he drops to Junior Trainer status and we promote a Junior Trainer to Trainer. This is not to show favoritism towards anyone, or punish anyone for the circumstances of there life, but rather to keep the thread going with people we can depend on to give 100% all of the time.

Why do we have to have turns to design? What if you just want to playtest and contribute ideas but don't/can't design? Is that less valuable than someone who is going into photoshop and making cards?

Originally Posted by wulfhunter667

Playtesting Cards
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. C3G has set the standard for playtesting, so, use the format they use when playtesting found here...
http://www.heroscapers.com/community...730#post990730
The Pokemon needs to have a minimum of 3 successful playtests before moving to the finalization phase.

Thanks for linking to those, there is a lot of good stuff in that post. However, what does "3 successful playtests" even mean?

Also, this part of the post is poorly formatted. Replace all of that with this:


[B]Playtesting Cards[/B]
C3G has set the standard for playtesting, so try to follow [URL="http://www.heroscapers.com/community/showthread.php?p=990730#post990730"]their guidelines[/URL] when playtesting.

Originally Posted by wulfhunter667

Finalizing Cards
All cards must receive final comments, critques and error checks before being ready for release.

This seems totally unnecessary. If a card passes design and playtesting, I don't think this is necessary. I guarantee this step would just end up getting skipped, there is no reason for it to exist.

Originally Posted by wulfhunter667

Book Of ______
It is the duty of any and all core group members to create a Book Of for released Pokemon cards.

Definitely not. I don't think the moderators/admins would appreciate us spamming the Custom Units forum with threads for individual cards that only a very small portion of the community will actually use or care about. This is just unnecessary.

A display thread is probably the best option. Like, just like the BoV display thread, except ours would be open to comments and stuff.

______________________________________

I have two major issues with the post as a whole.

1. Formatting. Put some spaces in between the various sections. Right now it looks incredibly unprofessional and is almost difficult to read.

2. Organization. I feel like there needs to be a section for the procedure. Like:

1. A unit is proposed (ex. TrainerA suggests that we work on a Bellsprout card)
2. If less than # of members find issue with this in a XX-hour period, that will be the new card.
3. brainstorm
4. mock-up of card
5. revise
6. vote for preliminary playtesting
....etc.

A list like that would make everything MUCH easier.