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Old April 10th, 2017, 03:14 PM
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Re: The Book of Speed - Design Phase

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I personally don't feel all that great about trying to skirt the rules as it relates to modifying a SA with another power. If I understand Soundwarps suggestion correctly, I like the idea of not being able to use the SA at all until a fellow rookie hero gets destroyed. That seems to fit his character well based on what I'm reading here about him being a forgettable and not very active member of the team. He just sits back with no or few OMs while the rest of the team does things, then once one of them goes down he jumps into action and uses his SA for the first time.
I meant moving the adding attack dice bit to the special attack itself, since having it in the other power is just breaking rules for no reason. I like what you're suggesting though, seems a lot more interesting, though again I'd probably open it up to triggering on any of your Unique Heroes' deaths so he's not so completely niche.


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Re: The Book of Speed - Design Phase

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Why not just move the bit about moding the special attack to the special attack itself? You could even broaden it out to include all Heroes and not just Rookies for reusability, since the first bit of 'Young Avenger' already pretty squarely ties him into his faction. Makes a fair bit of sense that way, as most good Speedsters tend to avoid the 'make your molecules explode' type stuff until they're backed into a corner.
The wording just isn't particularly clean for that, I don't think. It works, it just feels clunky to me. I could live with it though, if everyone else likes that direction.
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I personally don't feel all that great about trying to skirt the rules as it relates to modifying a SA with another power. If I understand Soundwarps suggestion correctly, I like the idea of not being able to use the SA at all until a fellow rookie hero gets destroyed. That seems to fit his character well based on what I'm reading here about him being a forgettable and not very active member of the team. He just sits back with no or few OMs while the rest of the team does things, then once one of them goes down he jumps into action and uses his SA for the first time.
This I'm not a fan of. It would mean that two-thirds of his card is only usable for a turn or two after a figure you control is destroyed with OMs on their card. Not being able to use his SA if he's being used in cleanup seems really off to me. It's not that he's incapable of using his power, it's just that he tries harder when his team's back is against the wall.

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Re: The Book of Speed - Design Phase

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If one or more Unique Heroes you control were destroyed this round, roll 1 additional die with this special attack. Defending figures roll 1 fewer defense die against this special attack and destructible objects roll 3 fewer defense dice against this special attack. If the defending figure is destroyed by this special attack, all figures other than Speed that were adjacent to the defending figure receive 1 wound.
It's actually not that bad on the wording, but the theme doesn't come across as clearly I think.

Personally, I'm fine with the additional die, the additional defense subtraction, or the multi-attack. I agree that not allowing him to use the SA normally feels extreme and would really limit the design.

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Re: The Book of Speed - Design Phase

Okay, seems most people are on board with the -1 Defense. I've updated the SP with that, a wording tweak to the SA, and changed the first power name to Reluctant Avenger. Any other thoughts before I propose for Initial?

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Re: The Book of Speed - Design Phase

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Okay, seems most people are on board with the -1 Defense. I've updated the SP with that, a wording tweak to the SA, and changed the first power name to Reluctant Avenger. Any other thoughts before I propose for Initial?
Guess not. I propose we move Speed to Initial testing.

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Competitive Concerns
Does the design offer worrisome Order marker movement or efficiency? No.

Does the design offer superior Auto wounding? Only if you end up with a common destructible object (or weak common hero) who can end up engaging a bunch of enemy figures to just die horribly.

Does the design cause the prevention of abilities (Blob, Polaris, Meteorite)? No.

Does the design move other figures? No.

Does the design boost other figures (outside of a narrowly defined set)? No.

Does the design have one or more excellent defensive powers? Superspeed isn't really defensive, but it does increase his survivability.

Does the design auto destroy or take control of other figures in a way that unbalances the design? No.

Does the design have any other concerns? I wasn't able to find a comprehensive list of Rookie Heroes. I really doubt Reluctant Avenger actually is game breaking, but I would like to see the synergy web. Also, the wording on Reluctant Avenger could be argued as redundant with the subtract a defense die. Either R&C it or change the wording so it's abundantly clear.

Summary of Any Competitive Concerns/Suggestions for Changes: Probably going to be fine. There are more damaging speedsters and he's not exactly super durable.

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Re: The Book of Speed - Vote for Initial

The only completed Rookies are Stature and Noh-Varr. There's also the in-testing Hawkeye. Plus there will be a 4+ others coming down the line.

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COMPETITIVE REVIEW BOARD CHECKLIST

Competitive Concerns
Does the design offer worrisome Order marker movement or efficiency? No.

Does the design offer superior Auto wounding? Only if you end up with a common destructible object (or weak common hero) who can end up engaging a bunch of enemy figures to just die horribly.

Does the design cause the prevention of abilities (Blob, Polaris, Meteorite)? No.

Does the design move other figures? No.

Does the design boost other figures (outside of a narrowly defined set)? No.

Does the design have one or more excellent defensive powers? Superspeed isn't really defensive, but it does increase his survivability.

Does the design auto destroy or take control of other figures in a way that unbalances the design? No.

Does the design have any other concerns? I wasn't able to find a comprehensive list of Rookie Heroes. I really doubt Reluctant Avenger actually is game breaking, but I would like to see the synergy web. Also, the wording on Reluctant Avenger could be argued as redundant with the subtract a defense die. Either R&C it or change the wording so it's abundantly clear.

Summary of Any Competitive Concerns/Suggestions for Changes: Probably going to be fine. There are more damaging speedsters and he's not exactly super durable.

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Okay, nothing looks gamebreaking Rookiewise. I'll keep an eye on it in the future. Speed carrying Stature and Hawkeye pinging seems fun.

As for common DOs, I'm really only worried if you can create some kind of rat effect with them. As I don't anticipate someone making that effect, I'm not super worried, but that's about the only way that SA actually becomes worrisome.

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Re: The Book of Speed - Vote for Initial

Yea

Speed will make for a fun wacky combo with Mister Terrific (Michael) and his T-Spheres.

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Re: The Book of Speed - Vote for Initial

Yea

I like the DO synergy.
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