C3G Legacy LibraryThis is the archive for all the designs released in the original era of C3G. Feel free to post any figure specific questions in their individual books.
LO's test was in a Danger Room thread and not in here, so here's that:
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Originally Posted by Lazy Orang
- Theme Test - Inconclusive, seeing as I don’t know the character, but nothing really felt wrong, with one exception - I assume the power of his voice is due to sonic vibrations, of some nature? If that's the case, I'd really like to continue that aesthetic with some sort of bonus vs. Symbiotes in A Whispered Word and Voice of Destruction. - Mirror Test - Pass
- Bonding Test - Pass - King of the Inhumans rounds the faction out brilliantly, but isn't overpowered by any means - they're no stronger than any of the many strong factional builds in C3G. - Synergies Test - Pass - See above - Power Check - Pass - He's extremely powerful, and Voice of Destruction is utterly terrifying, but he's far from overpowered. - Fun Test - Definite Pass! - Amazingly so! When you combine the ability to tie this faction of uniformly great characters together, solid flying bruiser stats, a short-ranged AoE auto-wound power and the ability to nuke the map when in extremis, and you've got one hell of a character. - Fun Competitive Test - Pass - It's a great faction to play against, figure moving powers will be valuable to separate him from his queen, and if you let him survive to the end then the tension will be thick as he unleashes his Voice of Destruction. - Drafting Test - Pass, though my one issue with him lies here... and it isn't even an issue, really. It's just that, due to how dependent he is on his wife, he'll almost never be drafted without her, and that's 750 points - three quarters of a 1,000 point army! - just to get the Inhuman hub down, making Odin for the Asgardians and Apocalypse for the Horsemen look minimal. Now, given the theme it imparts and the unique and strategic gameplay of keeping Medusa near him to aid in his leadership, I think it's worth it, it's just a a shame that it'll reduce the room for variation in Inhuman builds. - Usage Test - Pass, though your opponent may want to try to assassinate him before he can let loose with Voice of Destruction! - Strategy Test - Definite Pass! - This chap is massively strategic - having a limited command range requiring him to be on the front lines and a bonus from being next to Medusa makes his leadership interesting, and having him as a strong figure who needs to be at the front line also provides a strategic challenge, since you want him alive to the very end to make full use of Voice of Destruction to full effect without hurting your own people. It’s also worth noting that, between Lockjaw’s teleporting, Karnak’s Tactician and Black Bolt’s need to be near Medusa, the Inhumans are very much inclined towards forming tight formations rather than spreading out.
Name Of The Playtest Unit: Black Bolt
Army Test 1 Map: Draugur (no glyphs, normal snow, normal ice) Armies:
Black Bolt, Medusa, Karnak, Crystal, Lockjaw (1,315) vs.
Ronan, Quasar (Phyla-Vell), 7x Kree Scouts, 9x Kree Soldiers (1,320 points)
Spoiler Alert!
Overview of Black Bolt’s performance:
Damage inflicted through normal attacks: 3 wounds on Quasar.
Times one turn taken through King of the Inhumans: Once
Times two turns taken through King of the Inhumans: Ten
Damage inflicted through A Whispered Word: 2 wounds on Ronan, 1 wound on Karnak, 1 Kree Scout killed and 2 Kree Soldiers killed.
Damage inflicted through Voice of Destruction: 3 Kree Soldiers killed, 1 Kree Scout killed, 3 wounds on Medusa. Ronan has pledged to hunt Black Bolt down without remorse - for the glory of the Kree Empire!
Round One
The Inhumans claim the initiative. Lockjaw teleports forwards with Medusa and Karnak and Black Bolt flies forwards to join them
A Kree Scout runs forwards and shoots Medusa to no effect. Quasar then flies up and blasts Medusa for a wound.
Medusa advances and throws Quasar onto the low ground with her hair before striking her with it for a wound. Black Bolt moves to strike her for two wounds from height.
Ronan and six Kree Soldiers advance.
Crystal advances, and sends rushing water to send Karnak, unharmed next to Black Bolt and Medusa to aid them with his tactical wisdom. Black Bolt strikes Quasar for a wound.
A Kree Scout teleports another Kree Scout and a Kree Soldier next to it and, boosted by Ronan, shoots Black Bolt to no effect. Ronan moves adjacent to Quasar, pushes her away with his Universal Weapon and strikes Black Bolt with it for a wound.
Round Two
The Kree claim the initiative, and a Kree Scout moves next to Ronan before ineffectually opening fire on Karnak. Ronan moves next to Quasar, pushes her to safety with his Universal Weapon and strikes Black Bolt with it for a wound.
Crystal flies forwards, blasts Ronan for a wound with a Fiery Projectile and raises the earth next to him, Quasar and a Kree Soldier. Black Bolt whispers a single word - 'Die’ - but only manages to inflict a single word on Ronan.
A Kree Scout teleports Quasar to height and a Kree Soldier next to him, before ineffectually shooting Karnak. Quasar blasts Karnak for two wounds.
Crystal blasts Ronan with a Fiery Projectile to no effect before sending the rock crumbling down, inflicting a wound on Ronan and killing a Kree Soldier. Medusa strangles the life out of Quasar with her hair.
Ronan is entangled by Medusa’s hair, but still manages to strike Black Bolt with his Universal Weapon for a wound. Three Kree Soldiers open fire on Karnak, managing to inflict a wound.
Crystal throws a Fiery Projectile at Ronan to no avail before raising the earth next to him. Medusa attempts to assault him with her hair, but he is unharmed.
Round Three
The Kree Empire claims the initiative due to their Collective Consciousness. One Kree Scout uses his Teleporter to extract Ronan and advance a Kree Soldier before shooting Karnak to no avail, while another moves to height and also fails to hurt Karnak.
Crystal incinerates a Kree Soldier with a Fiery Projectile before crumbling her rock. Medusa kills a Kree Soldier and a Kree Scout with her hair.
Ronan holds his ground while the Soldiers open fire. One shoots Karnak to no avail, while two more open fire on Black Bolt, and one inflicts a wound.
Crystal flies forwards, throws a Fiery Projectile at Ronan, missing wildy, and raises the ground behind the Kree line. Lockjaw charges the Kree frontline and fails to kill a soldier.
Ronan engages Crystal and smashes her for two wounds, before three Kree Soldiers open fire on Lockjaw from height, one of them next to Ronan, inflicting four wounds with their volley.
Crystal punches Ronan for a wound before sending the rock crumbling, crushing one Kree Soldier under its weight and killing him, though another escapes. Lockjaw ineffectually attempts to bite Ronan.
Round Four
The Kree Empire claims the initiative due to their Collective Consciousness. Ronan strikes Crystal for a wound and knocks her into a glacier for another wound, leaving her near death. Four Kree Soldiers then open fire. The first one, to the back of the line, shoots Lockjaw dead, before another, standing next to Ronan, opens fire on Karnak, inflicting a wound. The third shoots Crystal dead, while the fourth makes an ineffectual shot at Black Bolt.
Karnak runs to height where Crystal once stood, and punches Ronan to no effect. Black Bolt stands next to him, still remaining close to Medusa, and whispers... the result is devastating, killing Karnak, inflicting a wound on Ronan and killing two Kree Soldiers and a Scout.
Ronan uses his Universal Weapon to push Black Bolt backwards to low ground, into shadow and away from his wife, before striking him with it, inflicting a wound. Two Kree Soldiers then open fire on the king, inflicting a wound and leaving him close to death.
Two Kree Scouts run forwards and open fire on Medusa, inflicting a wound.
Medusa engages the Kree and rips one of them apart with her hair, before her husband joins her and punches another one dead, but is blocked.
Round Five
The Kree claim the initiative. The Scout engaged with Black Bolt fires a desperate and ineffectual shot, while another moves round the side and also tries to shoot the king to no avail.
Medusa kills a Kree Scout before Black Bolt unleashes his Voice of Destruction, killing every other figure on the battlefield, including his wife, with the exception of two intrepid little Kree Scouts.
One Kree Scout runs to height and opens fire on Black Bolt from there, but fails to harm him. The other scout charges the Inhuman, his rifle blazing, but he fails to bring the King down.
Black Bolt kills the Scout who charged him.
The last Scout takes aim at Black Bolt, but his shot fails to kill.
Black Bolt flies up to the final Kree and takes him down.
Inhumans victorious - Black Bolt 6 wounds.
Overview: Okay, I bloody love the Inhumans! Every member feels great to me, and Black Bolt is an awesome way to tie them together. The boost to his leadership skills when next to Medusa is interesting, unique and strategic, if a bit limiting when it comes to build options - when pairing him with Medusa, though, it feels great! A Whispered Word is a great auto-wound power, and Voice of Destruction is an awesome global effect - you don't get many of those, and it's truly unique and awesome when you do! You'll want to try to make this guy the last man standing to make the most of it, but he and his wife are also such great front-line figures, making you want to have them in the brunt of the fighting - it's a delicate, tactical balance. This game felt fun, competitive, and strategic, and I love this faction - great job! Might have to watch that show at some point, to get to know these great new characters.
Army Test 2 Map: Badru Valley (No Glyphs) Armies;
Black Bolt, Medusa, Karnak, Gorgon (Gorgon Petragon), Lockjaw (1,360 points) vs.
Professor X, Storm, Wolverine, Psylocke, Polaris, Armor, Angel (Warren Worthington III) (1,370 points)
Spoiler Alert!
Overview of Black Bolt’s performance:
Damage inflicted through normal attacks: 5 wounds on Storm, 1 on Armor, 5 wounds on Wolverine, 1 wound on Angel
Times one turn taken through King of the Inhumans: Once
Times two turns taken through King of the Inhumans: Nine
Damage inflicted through A Whispered Word: 1 wound on Polaris, 1 Evergreen Tree felled (it fell on Polaris, inflicting a wound)
Damage inflicted through Voice of Destruction: 1 wound on Armor, 2 wounds on Wolverine, 3 wounds on Angel, 1 wound on Polaris, 1 wound on Professor X.
Round One
The Inhumans claim the initiative, and Lockjaw teleports Medusa and Gorgon forwards, but keeps to the front. Black Bolt flies up to his wife.
Angel flies Psylocke forwards, and Psylocke charges Gorgon, striking him for two wounds.
Lockjaw teleports back to Karnak, and extracts Gorgon in doing so. Gorgon Bull Rushes Psylocke from low ground, inflicting two wounds and sending her flying backwards.
Psylocke charges Gorgon and strikes him from height, inflicting two wounds on him. Storm flies up and calls lightning down on Medusa, frying her for two wounds.
Lockjaw teleports Karnak next to Black Bolt and Medusa, and Medusa strikes Psylocke for two wounds from range.
Psylocke decapitates Gorgon, before Storm calls lightning down on Karnak, inflicting two wounds.
Round Two
The Inhumans claim the initiative. Karnak Assesses Psylocke’s Weaknesses and charges her, but she blocks, before Medusa finishes off Psylocke.
Wolverine runs forwards. Storm strikes Karnak to no avail.
Karnak charges Storm and punches her to no avail. Lockjaw teleports forwards to Lockdown Wolverine.
Wolverine slashes ineffectually at Lockjaw. Storm incinerates Karnak with a bolt of lightning.
Medusa rushes to equal height next to Storm and forces her onto low ground with her hair, before Black Bolt flies to where Storm was, next to his wife, and punches the Mutant for three wounds.
Wolverine slashes Lockjaw for a wound. Storm calls down a Lightning Tempest, which serves only to inflict a wound on Medusa.
Round Three
The X-Men claim the initiative, and Wolverine slashes Lockjaw for two wounds. Storm calls down Gale Force Winds to separate Black Bolt and Medusa and return herself to her prior perch.
Medusa runs next to her husband and into melee with Storm, but Storm darts away from every strand of her Hair Assault.
Wolverine slits Lockjaw’s throat open, while Storm fails to harm Medusa.
Medusa forces Storm onto low ground, before Black Bolt claims height on the Mutant and knocks her out.
Armor and Wolverine advance.
Medusa strikes Wolverine from range, but he blocks, while Black Bolt whispers a single word in Armor’s direction, but it fails to have any effect.
Round Four
The X-Men claim the initiative. Wolverine is entangled in Medusa’s hair and unable to move, but Armor charges the Inhuman Queen and punches her for a wound.
Black Bolt punches Armor, inflicting a wound, before his wife inflicts a wound on her with her Hair Assault.
Armor punches Medusa to no avail before Logan cuts through the hair surrounding him and charges Medusalith Amelquin-Boltagon, decapitating her.
Black Bolt, furious and anguished over his wife’s death, lets loose with his Voice of Destruction, killing Armor and inflicting two wounds on Logan, three on Angel, one on Polaris and one on Xavier.
Polaris flies forwards before Wolverine charges Black Bolt, slashing him three times to inflict three wounds before healing.
Black Bolt strikes Wolverine, knocking him out in one blow.
Round Five
The X-Men claim the initiative and Angel flies up to Black Bolt, punching him for a wound. Polaris flies forwards and encases Black Bolt in a magnetic bubble, before striking him for a wound.
Black Bolt finishes Angel off.
Polaris flies to equal height with Black Bolt and strikes him from range to no effect.
Black Bolt is left unable to move and can only whisper in Polaris’s direction - doing so achieves nothing.
Polaris fails to harm Black Bolt.
Black Bolt remains confined.
Round Six
Polaris claims the initiative but fails to harm Black Bolt.
Black Bolt whispers within his confinement, but whispers a single word, inflicting a wound on Polaris and causing a tree to come crashing down on her, inflicting an additional wound.
Polaris inflicts a wound on Black Bolt.
Black Bolt remains confined
Polaris finishes him off.
X-Men Victorious, Polaris 3 wounds, Professor X 1 wound.
Overview: Another great game! This is an awesome faction, right here, and Black Bolt rounds it out perfectly! (Though, incidentally, I hope this won't be the last of the Inhumans - I have no idea how many there are in the comics, but I'd love to see this faction expand.Voice of Destruction might be one of the most awesome powers in the game.
Thoughts On The Tested Unit's Cost, Balance, & Draftibility:
I think I said it all above, pretty much - can’t wait to see this faction released, hoping it’s soon!
The white text on light gray here I found a little hard to read, maybe darken both colors a little.
Otherwise, EPB
I think I can take care of this tomorrow.
Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those.
The white text on light gray here I found a little hard to read, maybe darken both colors a little.
Otherwise, EPB
How does it look now?
Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those.
The white text on light gray here I found a little hard to read, maybe darken both colors a little.
Otherwise, EPB
How does it look now?
Were both cards updated, or just the comic one? They look a hair different to me. (Comic looks more readable)
(Also, not sure if you saw, but there was also a question over in Gorgon's thread)
Both and Gorgon was updated as well. It may have still been uploading when I posted so try refreshing.
Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those.
The white text on light gray here I found a little hard to read, maybe darken both colors a little.
Otherwise, EPB
How does it look now?
Were both cards updated, or just the comic one? They look a hair different to me. (Comic looks more readable)
(Also, not sure if you saw, but there was also a question over in Gorgon's thread)
Both and Gorgon was updated as well. It may have still been uploading when I posted so try refreshing.
They still look different to me after a hard refresh (or a few hard refreshes, because I keep re-checking as I type this ). Both PDFs and the mini JPG look like they're one color, and the comic JPG looks different.
This is what the comic jpg looks like to me when I zoom in on the name area:
And here's the mini jpg:
There's definitely less of a contrast between the main color there and the border 'ribbon' on the comic card. (Both PDFs look more like the mini card to me)
The white text on light gray here I found a little hard to read, maybe darken both colors a little.
Otherwise, EPB
How does it look now?
Were both cards updated, or just the comic one? They look a hair different to me. (Comic looks more readable)
(Also, not sure if you saw, but there was also a question over in Gorgon's thread)
Both and Gorgon was updated as well. It may have still been uploading when I posted so try refreshing.
They still look different to me after a hard refresh (or a few hard refreshes, because I keep re-checking as I type this ). Both PDFs and the mini JPG look like they're one color, and the comic JPG looks different.
This is what the comic jpg looks like to me when I zoom in on the name area:
And here's the mini jpg:
There's definitely less of a contrast between the main color there and the border 'ribbon' on the comic card. (Both PDFs look more like the mini card to me)
How can that happen? Do you current art guys make separate files for the mini & the comic cards? If so what's the advantages (this obviously being a disadvantage)?
The white text on light gray here I found a little hard to read, maybe darken both colors a little.
Otherwise, EPB
How does it look now?
Were both cards updated, or just the comic one? They look a hair different to me. (Comic looks more readable)
(Also, not sure if you saw, but there was also a question over in Gorgon's thread)
Both and Gorgon was updated as well. It may have still been uploading when I posted so try refreshing.
They still look different to me after a hard refresh (or a few hard refreshes, because I keep re-checking as I type this ). Both PDFs and the mini JPG look like they're one color, and the comic JPG looks different.
This is what the comic jpg looks like to me when I zoom in on the name area:
And here's the mini jpg:
There's definitely less of a contrast between the main color there and the border 'ribbon' on the comic card. (Both PDFs look more like the mini card to me)
How can that happen? Do you current art guys make separate files for the mini & the comic cards? If so what's the advantages (this obviously being a disadvantage)?
No, I do not create separate files for mini and comic. Too much work. I will try exporting again and replacing when I get a chance.
Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those.
April 15th, 2019, 02:11 PM
). Both PDFs and the mini JPG look like they're one color, and the comic JPG looks different.
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