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Old September 29th, 2021, 01:14 PM
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

What about just "Close Quarters Defense" as it is a Defense bonus?

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Old September 29th, 2021, 01:19 PM
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

Another suggestion: “Shaolin Defense” calls back to both Varkaanan Blade Defense and Shaolin Assault.

Regardless of what the power ends up being called, I’m excited to see this design make the rounds through sov.
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Old September 29th, 2021, 01:22 PM
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Another suggestion: “Shaolin Defense” calls back to both Varkaanan Blade Defense and Shaolin Assault.
"Shaolin Assault" is my favorite example of a dumb naming scheme for a reusable power. It doesn't add anything thematically to the unit to give it that specific name, and now we have three names for the same power.

I'm all for using a reusable name here.
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Old September 29th, 2021, 01:35 PM
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

Why isn't Hand to Hand Expert reusable? "Close Quarters" sounds distinctly modern, to me. "Hand to Hand" feels more timeless.

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Old September 29th, 2021, 02:06 PM
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Why isn't Hand to Hand Expert reusable? "Close Quarters" sounds distinctly modern, to me. "Hand to Hand" feels more timeless.
"Hand to Hand" sounds fine to me, but I'll wait to see if any of the judges have any input on this.
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

Another one to consider- something even more simple like "Turtle Style." Shaolin Kung Fu has many different animal styles, turtle being one of them. To quote an imperial martial arts site,

"Turtle Kung Fu is built against combat techniques with dynamically proven defenses and counters to standing kicks, strikes, weapons, Chin Na, and grappling in all 8 directions of combat."

Zhen Yuan has "Eagle Claw" already, so it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibilities in my eyes.
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Old September 29th, 2021, 02:36 PM
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Another one to consider- something even more simple like "Turtle Style." Shaolin Kung Fu has many different animal styles, turtle being one of them. To quote an imperial martial arts site,

"Turtle Kung Fu is built against combat techniques with dynamically proven defenses and counters to standing kicks, strikes, weapons, Chin Na, and grappling in all 8 directions of combat."

Zhen Yuan has "Eagle Claw" already, so it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibilities in my eyes.
If it was a more unique ability, that wasn't likely to be reused, I'd agree. Varkanaan Blade Defense is a very simple ability, it just adds defense for each engaged figure, and as such it is reasonable to assume that someone might want to reuse it again in the future. Above @Scytale said that he wanted a reusable name so that we could avoid a Shaolin/Master's/Whirlwind Assault situation where we have many names for the same ability. Actually, now that I think about it @Dad_Scaper , "Hand to Hand" doesn't work, because the Blade Dancers use Swords, and it is reasonable to assume that this renamed ability will be used on another sword (or any other melee weapon) wielding figure in the future. I'm still open to suggestions, but it should be a name that doesn't specifically mention the type of weapon, just that you are fighting in a close quarters.
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

"Jackie Chan Style"? No?

Ok. Melee Combat Specialist? Like I said, I think "Close Quarters" evokes a modern combat style. But "melee," as opposed to "range," is relatively timeless. Militia with pikes or bayonets or bowie knives (or a pencil); "melee" still contemporaneously contrasts with archers, rifles, and semiautomatic handguns.

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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

I don't feel any modern connotation to "Close Quarters" myself. But "Melee Combat Specialist" sounds fine to. Or "Melee Expert" or whatever.
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

Lee Jun doesn't particularly excite me, but he feels very much in-line with the other monks. I do like how he evokes some of the same themes of the other monks in a new way, and the incentive to get him attacked to build up markers has the potential to be really interesting.

Of the alternative names thrown around for the renamed Varkaanan Blade Defense thus far, Melee Combat Specialist sounds the best to me. Preferably something about defense could be thrown in there to keep open the possibility of similarly-themed mechanics, but it's not a dealbreaker to me.

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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

Alright, I think I'll go with "Melee Combat Expert". I'll just edit the ability text in the post. I'll upload a new card later when I get the time.
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

to Lee Jun whenever that change happens. I liked the card before, and even more with the change.

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